Show: Master Gardener Station: KNCO File: 9:19.mp3 Air date: 2026-09-19 Source: OpenAI whisper-1 · shrunk from 123.6 MB to 24.7 MB, split into 8 pieces --- transcript --- Good morning and welcome to Master Gardeners and Friends, a KNCO radio program. My name is Cassidy Latham-Faulkner. And I'm Ellie Lightfoot. And we're here today to talk to you about gardening. So our program is brought to you by the University of California Cooperative Extension, the United States Department of Agriculture, Nevada County Master Gardeners, and KNCO News Talk Radio along with all of their fine sponsors. Our mission as Nevada County Master Gardeners is to inspire foothill gardeners to embrace research-based, sustainable gardening practices so our community and our environment thrives. This is a two-way radio program, so if you would like to call in or text us, our call line is 530-477-5626. And our text line is 530-913-4685. You can send us pictures through that text line, and we will be checking it regularly through the radio show. Please give us a call. Excellent. Yeah. Yeah. So it's September. We're starting to get into like the cooler season, although it's not quite cool yet. And we have a lot of things that we can be doing in the garden right now. I don't know about you, but my vegetable garden is looking ragged, just ragged. It's really about August. I stopped caring. Oh, yeah? And so I start cutting things down in August. I only planted three beds, so two look good. And the one I planted at the very end of June, because I had plants left over and I just needed to get them in the ground, obviously I didn't care about it enough because it looks ragged. Yeah. It'll be the first to go because I have cool season starts to put in this weekend. Oh, perfect. What are you planting? I have a purple broccoli I'm going to try this year. Ooh. And then I have some rainbow chard. Okay. At this time of year, I like to grow things I can feed my chickens to because, you know, greens are so scarce at this point for them. And sugar snap peas. Ooh, I should try sugar snap peas because we eat sugar snap peas at my house. Yep. Give it a try. If we have one of those long, mellow falls where it doesn't get too cold, you might actually get fruit this season. Ooh, that would be really nice. Otherwise, they'll come in strong first warm bit in spring. Yeah. You'll be the first with them. Yeah. If you do that. Yeah. Yeah. I think last year in October, I planted garlic and shallots. Oh, yeah. And that was what my like overwinter vegetables were. And my garlic didn't do great. My shallots did amazing. Oh. I still have shallots. So what'd you do wrong with the garlic? I'm not sure. So I use, I don't have like a regular irrigation setup. I use terracotta pots that I've like plugged the bottom of and I set them into the soil and it's called like an Oya. And that's what I fill it with water. And I think that my garlic was just planted a little too far away because that does really well when the roots can like travel to where the Oya is. And garlic just doesn't do that quite as well. So I got small. I got really small bulbs of garlic. So maybe you need a few more Oyas in that bed. Yeah. I might need to like replace. I have one big one. I could probably replace it with four small ones that are a little more spaced out and not just like one in the center. So do you know the footage that those Oya would cover water wise? So I think I did. I did research on this a while ago and it's like anywhere within 18 inches of like the Oya will get some amount of water. But the best amount of water is within 12 inches of the Oya. Yeah. Sounds like you need a few more. If you did a whole clove of garlic, a whole bulb of garlic, that's a lot of plants. But those shallots really took off way better than I thought that they would. I got like three or four shallots off of each of the like bulbs that I planted in and I was not expecting to get that many shallots. And what did you do with them? Well now about half of them are just kind of like sitting in a cupboard waiting. So like I'll use them there. You have to dry them afterwards similar to garlic. You have to cure them. And so they're just waiting and I'll replant some of them this year and then the rest of them I'll either use or I'll give away. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I had a really good garlic harvest. Better than I anticipated. But I started with starts. Oh, instead of like... Yeah, they were already sprouted. And I put those in and mulched like crazy. And this was probably in November that I got to put them in the ground like that. Had some help. And because of the weather, I could just leave them there and they did their thing. And I got decent size. I mean, they're not gigantic. But like you got a good harvest. I got, yeah. I feel like it was a good harvest. So I'll go back to that and pick a few to plant again as bulbs in October. Yeah. Unfortunately, I did not water my garlic and shallots as much as I normally would have because of how mild of a fall and winter we got. I just didn't really feel the need to and they survived. So... Well, that's the brain challenge right there. It's like winter and now we're going to have water and I don't have to water anything, which is not the case. It's not the case anymore. Yeah. Yeah. You have to have a conscious effort. Do I water today? Do I not water today? Is it going to rain within the week? Is it not? And you know, we've even had some rain come in the last month that didn't do the job. I know. It was so light. It was so light. So you really have to go out and put your hands in the soil. See what's going on. Because anything still in the ground now have roots easily 10 to 12 inches down. Oh, yeah. They're looking for water. So that's where the water needs to go. Yeah. Yeah. So check your soils. Yeah. Yeah. So if you're like me and you have kind of let your vegetable garden go to the side for the last month, then right now is a great time to start a compost pile. Oh, yes. You can chop all that down, chop it up into like couple inch sized pieces and then throw it together with some browns and greens. Keep it moist. So like when we say keep it moist, you kind of want to be able to pick up a piece of compost and squeeze it and have a couple of drops of water come out. You don't want it dripping because that can encourage bad bacteria in there that will smell. Mm hmm. But a compost is a great way for you to fertilize your plants, especially if you are doing actual hot compost where you turn it every couple of days. Most people don't. I don't. It's a lot of work. That sounds like a good idea. And I start the pile because I have all this biomass coming out of the garden. Right. And then later, it's like, oh, yeah, I added one more task to the list I'm not doing. Yeah, I feel that. Yeah. Like, OK, you're going in the bin, so you'll be safe. And yeah. Yeah. So I get it. I heard the analogy of a damp sponge. Yeah, that's what they told us in like the Master Gardener classes. It's like you want a damp sponge just because if you again, if you add too much water or if you don't add enough water, then it doesn't break down in the right way. You don't get the right microbes breaking all that stuff down. And so you might get a smelly compost pile, which is a common complaint from people, or it might not break down at all if it's too dry. And when you say water, you mean water from the hose, right? Yeah. Water from the hose. So the things they have to take into consideration is how green moist is the stuff you're adding. So maybe you need less water. Yeah. From the hose. Yes. Yes. That's right. It's a fun science experiment, but it's not as simple as most people like try to make it out to be. They're just like, oh, just compost. My first compost was decades ago, and I had a little daughter at that point. So I did most of the work and she was like in entertainment. So for our compost, what we ended up doing is we dug a pit that was probably a foot to 18 inches deep, and then we would fill it. And then when it came time to turn it, we would take a rake. She had her little rake and I had my big rake. And we would rake from the top, walking all the way around. So we'd clear the pile out in a circle like that. And then when we got to the beginning, we'd push the beginning in. So now it was on the bottom, and that's how we flipped it, the two of us together. And it worked just like they say it does. And that was the effort we put in. Great compost that summer. Oh, yeah. And that's the benefit is you don't have to go out and buy compost or fertilizer when you do that. And so if that's something that you're looking to do to save a little bit of money on buying compost or fertilizers, then it's totally worth the effort. It's really just about how much time you have to take care of that pile. You also know what's in it and where what's in it came from. Yeah. That is a big thing. Right now, it's a huge thing. Yeah. When you're buying compost from a commercial store, then you don't necessarily know what they used in that compost. And I'm not saying that it's going to be bad, but you just don't know. Many... I worked at a nursery for a while and many bags of additives had a lot of wood chips in it. Yeah, right. And that's not great. Yeah. All right. Well, we are at the 15-minute mark, and so we are going to take a break. Please join us in a couple of minutes for Master Gardeners and Friends. See you soon. Did you know Robinson Enterprises has a full-service tire shop? 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Join us each Sunday for 30 minutes of inspiration, motivation, and education, all without manipulation. That's The Flatline with Rick Hughes, every Sunday at 8 a.m. right here on KNCO News Talk 830. Here we go. Hi, and welcome back to Master Gardeners and Friends, the KNCO radio program. I'm Cassidy Latham Faulkner. And I'm Ellie Lightfoot. And we're here on a two-way radio program. If you would like to call us, then you can call in at 530-477-5626. Or if you'd like to text us, you can text us at 530-913-4685. Yeah, and you can send us photos on that text line if you would like. You can send us photos of a pest that you're looking at, a disease that you might have. We might not be able to answer you, but we can try. We can get it. Yeah. We can send the information back to you when we figure it out. Yeah, and that's what we do at our hotline, actually. So we have a Master Gardener hotline that you can call into. And then we have somebody there in person. And they are there in person from 9 to noon on Tuesdays. Let me see if I can't find our hotline number. There it is, 530-273-0919. And our office is at 255 South Auburn Street at the Veterans Memorial Building. Again, we're there 9 to noon on Tuesdays. So you could stop by. Yeah. You could stop by and give us, bring your plant or your bug in a sealed container and we'll see what we can do with that. But the hotline is 24 hours, so you could call and leave a message. Yeah. And we do actually encourage you, a Master Gardener who's there in person will get back to you. with information. So if you have any questions about your garden that you just really need to know, then please give us a call, leave a message, and we'll get back to you. Yeah. Yeah. Good way to get information. It really is. It's a really valuable resource, especially if you're starting out gardening or like are coming across something you've never seen before. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Great. So we talked a little bit about compost in the first part of the program and how it's great to make a compost pile now, starting now, if you're cleaning up your garden like I am. Getting ready for winter. Are you planting winter? Are you going to go break it till spring? I'm probably going to do cover crop over the winter just because I am currently pregnant and I do not want to have to deal with any of the winter gardening stuff. Well, yeah, if you choose just to be a potato, then you don't want to have to go out and take care of stuff. So yeah, putting it to bed for the winter sounds like a great plan. Do you have a favorite cover crop? I actually haven't done cover cropping before, so I'm probably just going to go out to a nursery and pick one. Well, my favorite are the winter kill. Really? Okay. Cover crops. And I have always felt that I should put a cover crop on bare soil. So beds that I've chosen not to plant through the winter, I will put something. In the past, usually it's a lot of mulch because I have a lot of mulch that comes my way. But a cover crop would add nutrients back into the soil. So a winter kill means you plant it, it grows up green. You might have to do a little watering in the early season because we don't get a lot of rain in September or October. But then the coldness kills it. So it just becomes this dead thatch that you plant in. You open it up a little, plant where you want your plants, and you're good to go because I don't have a good reason like you. But I don't want to be turning in or cutting. You don't have to have a good reason. Cutting down a cover crop when it's time to plant. I don't want to have to deal with that. There's too many other things for me to do. So this is the easiest way to get that accomplished. All right. I will keep that in mind because I know a lot of other winter cover crops, they will grow all the way through winter, and then you have to cramp them down or cut them when you actually want to plant. I think you'll be busy when that time comes along. Yeah, I will be. So look for the words winter kill. Avoid the ones that say cold hardy. Those are the ones designed to last through the winter. And there was a third word that I can't remember. It was something about cool season or fall planted cover crop kind of thing. Those are something that will last through the winter so that you'll have to do something with them. Okay, noted. I have a couple of garden beds that I filled with soil last year, I believe, and then did not top them up this year. And now I'm like, okay, they kind of struggled to produce this year. So it's probably a good idea for me to do a cover crop and then some sort of compost or something in the spring when I do want to plant out again. You can add the compost. If you do a winter kill, that's the sign that you can now add the compost on top of it so that the weather, the rains will pull that nutrients into all of the soil underneath. And then that thatch actually will act like a mulch, right? So you don't necessarily have to mulch the bed out again, which would be nice. It sort of depends on how fast it disintegrates. That I have not paid attention to. I just plant in to what's there. And sometimes it depends on when the compost comes to me. I will put the compost on first and then plant my cover crop. So I got to work with Mother Nature. There's so many things to do. Yeah. There's just a lot of tasks that you can do in the garden throughout the year. And so it's really, it's nice when Mother Nature works with you. Yes. All of my walkways get fresh wood chips this year, this season, this coming season, I should say. So it's good labor for a cold winter day. Yeah. So I will look into winter kale because I think that that's exactly what I'm looking for is something to add a little bit of biomass, a little bit of green too. Especially you can find one that is a mixed, a good assortment. I have seen some that are seven or eight varieties. Nice. Yeah. And then you mentioned before the show, we were talking and you mentioned that you like to plant out greens for your chickens. Do you ever use any of that kale for your chickens or is it other greens that you're planting? Winter kill. Oh, winter kill. Yeah. Not winter kale. Oh, okay. It says winter kill on it. And that means winter kills it. So you don't have to do anything in spring with the crop. Okay. Got it. Which is why. Okay. Because kale will not do that. Yeah. I was wondering. Because kale is like a cold hardy. Yes, Ellie. Annunciate. No. That might have been me. Not you. I do grow greens for my chickens and I'm always going with a variety to see which ones they like. And I have new girls winter over this year that weren't there last year. So we'll see what they like. Yeah. Matcha is something I'm trying. Really? Corn salad. Yeah. Because it sprouts so easily. Yeah. I do want to try and find something I can sprout maybe indoors for those coldest day winter months for them. But I haven't quite figured that out yet. Yeah. It's all about a seed source. Yeah. Right. Yeah. It's like you can have the best of intentions, but if you can't find the seeds for it, then. I found some I like, but it's like it's a pound and it's five bucks and it's like, okay. I'll come back to you. Hold that thought. A pound is a lot of seed. Well, when you're trying to feed chickens. I guess. Yeah, that's true. You do want to have a lot of seed for that. Yeah. They need a lot. So we'll see. But yeah, I'm looking forward to, I found a new variety of winter kill cover crop that I'm going to try this year. So we'll see what happens. All right. Nice. Yeah. Yeah. So what are you planning in your winter garden? I'm thinking about maybe doing garlic again. Yes. That's right. Yeah. And I've been thinking about doing broccoli just because I really like to have broccoli. And the one thing is that I don't have very big garden beds and broccoli takes up a lot of space. In the winter, it's fine. Okay. And the leaves are edible, so you could eat leaves and that's what keeps it looking big. Yeah. I guess that's true. It was like, that is the big biomass part of it. So eat some of those leaves before they get ugly because they're tasty too. Yeah. My chickens don't like broccoli leaves as much. Huh. Yeah. So that's just for you. Yeah. Just for me. Have you ever grown bok choy? I haven't, but I actually did think about growing it. I think I have seed for bok choy that I got from the Master Gardener annual meeting earlier this year. Very good. Yeah. That should be some good stuff. Yeah. I really like bok choy. I do stir fries a lot. I like to have Asian stir fry meals. So I think that having bok choy would be really great because I usually buy it at the farmer's market if I'm not growing it myself. Yeah. Yeah. So I think for you, given you want to do very little in the spring before planting a spring, the kales are easy. Once they're established, they just do their thing and all you have to do is send someone out to harvest a few leaves. Yeah. Wouldn't even have to be you. Do you do beet greens? Sometimes. Beets aren't a big family favorite. So if you plant a beet and let the bulb go, it'll put out greens. Okay. And you can eat the tops. And I'm down with salad greens of pretty much any variety. Yes. So that could be good. Do you have containers for those? I have some containers. I have some fabric containers that I would probably have to rehydrate the soil because it's just been sitting and it hasn't been used this year. But once I do that, I could definitely. 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Please, we have not gotten any calls yet, but if you have a gardening question for us, you can give us a call at 530-477-5626. And if you just want to text me and tell me you're listening, that number is 530-913-4685. Yeah, so before the break, we mentioned succession gardening. You were talking about a little bit of succession gardening while we were chatting over the break. So do you want to talk a little bit more about that and like succession gardening for winter? Yes. I believe that succession planting is the lifesaver for us busy folk who have barely any time to do this kind of thing because you take a space. And whereas, let's say you might plant the entire package of seed for lettuce, you now have to figure out how to eat all that lettuce when it starts to come up. So if you take that package and you put in two to four inches of seeds the first time and then you wait until they pop up and you see real leaves and then you plant another two to four inches and another two to four inches and you keep going until it's too cold to plant seeds and they won't come up, you have this harvest that comes in in stages. So you're not having to try and eat lettuce solid at four meals a day because you have so much of it. Plus if you're like me, when I finally get around to planting lettuce, I have at least four or five varieties I'm trying just because they all look so pretty and so good and so planting a little bit of each of those allows the seeds, the lettuce to hold through the season because there's always something new. And honestly, I love the idea of doing that. I'm usually, I'm one of those people who I wait until the last minute to plant, but maybe this year if I do end up planting some greens, I will try to do some succession planting because it's way easier to just have to harvest off of two or three plants versus having to harvest an entire bed because you planted it all at once. So there's two key tricks to this. One is that once you plant it... You put it on your calendar, that in two weeks, two to three weeks, you're going to plant again, and it pops up. Yeah, I have to go and put more lettuce seeds in the ground. And the second one is that you take pictures of the effort. That becomes your journal. That becomes your journal of what you're planting. Yeah. I put the seeds in the ground, and I lay the package on the ground next to it, and I take a picture of it. It's now journaled. Okay, nice. Yeah, that was actually a workshop that we did earlier this year, is garden journaling, wasn't it? Yeah, I did that one. Oh, yeah, that would be- To lay, and I did that one, and that's why I know those kind of things. It's like, what tricks can we teach you guys to at least document? Yes. At least document your efforts, so that at some point, you could go back and put it back together, and figure out which was the good lettuce, and which one was the not tasty one. Yes, because as much as you tell yourself when you're planting it, oh, I'll just remember what this is, you probably won't. I never do. Yes, never do. It's good to actually write it down somewhere. Yeah, I'm looking at the yellow zucchini that I planted, and that's what I call it, but I don't know what it's really called. Don't know where you got it. I'm gonna have to look that one up. Yep. Yeah. Another place that labeling things has become really important to me, because I always think I'm going to remember what this seed came from. Yeah. I have to remember to label, because I start collecting seeds in paper bags, so they're fully dry before I jar them up. Yeah. So I write all over the bag with a Sharpie. Yeah. Otherwise, I forget. That's what I do when I will sometimes, on private land, forage native seeds, and then I have to write down on the packet where I got it, what year I got it, what it is. I have to write everything down, because otherwise I'm gonna look at that seed and be like, what are you? Yeah. When do I plant you? Like. I've gotten better, because before it was minimal information, but now I even add what conditions am I standing in that I found it? Ooh, yeah. You know, are there trees? Where's the water? What else is growing around? Yeah. So that I can later assess, can I duplicate that successful space for them, and I look at my desert and go, oh no, these probably won't grow. I better give them to someone who can do something with them. That is something that I like, because I have a western-facing slope as my big backyard that I'm planting out, and it's very warm. We also are kind of at the bottom of a hill, and so it kind of keeps the warmth down there a little bit more. And so I can't plant anything that's riparian or really water-loving unless I want to run a full irrigation down there, and that's just a little more work than I'm willing to do. Yes. So I have to pay attention to how much sun something can take and where I'm finding it, because a lot of things I find are underneath the trees, in dappled or mostly shade. Yeah. Just because you found it doesn't mean you can grow it. Exactly. Yes. Yeah, so speaking of native plants a little bit, fall is the perfect time to plant ornamentals generally, but also to plant native plants. If you are trying to start a native plant garden or trying to expand on a native plant garden that you already have, there is actually the California Native Plant Society Redbud Chapter is having their fall plant sale soon, and the Redbud Chapter is for Placer and Nevada counties, and their plant sale is on October 3rd. It's coming up. I know. Get ready. In a couple of weekends. It's a virtual plant sale, and so you can go to their website. If you look up CNPS Redbud, it will bring up their website on Google, and then if you do that, you can then sign up for their newsletter, or you can sign up to be, I think that you can just sign up to be told when the plant sale list goes out. Yeah, because you want to see the list of plants before the sale. Yeah, and then usually what they recommend is you write down a couple of plants that you really want, and you make sure you check out with those first if they're still available, and then you can go back and find the other ones that you still want, but are not necessary for what you're trying to plant. Yes. Yeah. And if you're not clear on what kind of native plants you want in your yard, you can go to their Calscape site. Yeah. I love that thing. Calscape.com. So you think you want something, or you want something with flowers that'll grow in shade. It's a database, and you can search it to figure that out. Yeah, there are a ton of filters. Calscape, I actually did a workshop on how to navigate Calscape earlier this year, and so what you can do is you can put in your address, and it will show you native plants that have confirmed populations within 10 miles of your address, and then you can filter out what you want. So there's things like bloom color, like I want purple blooms. There's things like I want evergreen or deciduous. I want something that's good as like a hedge or in containers, and all of those are options for the filters, and it will bring up a bunch of plants that you can look at, and then you can kind of start to decide what you want to design around. Yeah. Yeah. Very good. A little homework for you native plant folks. Yeah, I would highly recommend using Calscape. It is something that I go to all the time. Yes, yes. And so if you wanted to start with native plants, and you just wanted to add a few to what you have now, that's a good place to start. Yes. You don't have to go full out native plant. No, no. I always say if it overwhelms you to think about redoing like your entire yard, you can just- It does. I know, right? You can just choose an area. Like if you have an area where you're looking at it, and you're like, I don't like the shrub that's right there. You can choose to just replace that one shrub, and that will start you on your journey. Like you do not have to overhaul the entire thing to get started. Kind of like the yellow brick road. Yeah. Go down the yellow brick road. You do want to go down the yellow brick road, but it starts with a single step. Yes, it does. And a song in your heart. Yeah, right? And maybe out loud, if that's the kind of gardening that you do. Certainly, certainly. Excellent. So that's just a little bit about native plants. If you do want to plant native plants, then our Redbud chapter does have, I believe, a guide on growing native plants, because there are a couple of things that are different with native plants versus others. It's not too different from planting other things. The main things are you want to, you don't want to add compost to like the hole when you're planting a native plant, because it is designed basically to grow in the soil. Our soil. In our soil. It does not need any additional compost. And that can actually be detrimental to the plant's long-term health, because if you're just giving it all of those nutrients right at the bottom of the hole, it doesn't have an incentive to push its roots out quite as far. And so it won't grow as sturdy as it would if you didn't do that. It's like putting them in a clay pot in the ground. Yeah, a little bit. It's just like, oh, well, everything's right here. Why would I need to grow anymore? That's right. Yes. Excellent. Yeah. But you can also, at this point, start planning to plant bare root ornamentals outside of native plants, if that is something that you're thinking about, expanding your garden or just starting on your garden, planting fruit trees. And we can talk a little bit more about that after our break. Thank you. Ready to brighten your day? 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Yeah, and we really want to have you give us a call if you would like. Oh, it looks like we do actually have somebody who texted us. Good. Pictures of a plant that I'm not sure of. You can take a look at that, Ellie, if you want. John texted us a picture of some berries off of a plant that he has in his yard. They made it jumbo size. I know, the text is jumbo size, so we have to kind of like scroll through. Okay, I recognize this plant, and I will have to do a name search to get the name right, John, so stay tuned, and I'll get back to you. Yeah, we will definitely answer your question. But thank you so much for texting us. That's how it works. Yeah. I know this plant, but it's like, um... I know. I also recognize the berries. It's a long stand of red berries, orange berries, and I have seen that plant around. I know it. Yeah, this is the time of year you see it. Yeah. Kind of like the naked ladies, just the flower comes up, there's no green, right? It takes you two seasons to figure out what's growing there because there's no leaves when you finally want to know. Yes. Yeah, so we talked a little bit about the native plant sale. Yes. And so one of the things that the Master Gardeners of Nevada County did this year is we had our first ever workshop series, and it was actually a workshop series on native plants in Nevada County and the Sierra Nevada foothills. And so we have one more workshop this year that's going to be happening October 10th, I believe. Let me double check that. Yes, October 10th at our demo garden. And the demo garden is located on the grounds of NID. So if you want to join us there, you can join us October 10th where we will be having a native plant round table, and we'll be answering all of the questions that the public might have about native plants. So this is kind of more of a free form workshop that we're doing for the first time. So bring your questions. Bring your questions. We have an online form at the Nevada County Master Gardener UCANR website that you can also submit. That was a master, that was a mouthful. I know, it always is. If you look up Nevada County Master Gardeners, that website will be the first thing that pops up. And under gardening resources, we have more links. And one of those links is going to be to our online form to submit questions. If you have any questions that you want to submit beforehand we'll also be taking questions in person. That's the best way to get your question answered is to submit it before you get there. Yes, we will be vetting questions beforehand and we'll be. planning on the ones that have been submitted beforehand, and then we will be taking additional questions at the workshop. But we do have, I think, five or six master gardeners at least that have some native plant experience or expertise who will be answering your questions during that workshop. We also have next weekend on Saturday, we will be having our cool season veggies workshop. So if you want to learn more about cool season vegetables, that's also at the Demo Garden on the NID grounds off of West Main Street in Grass Valley. Dress warmly. Dress warmly. Just in case. Yeah, and our workshops are always 10 to noon. Noon. Yep. During the same slot that we are here on the radio. Yes, some Saturdays you're going to have to choose. Yes, some Saturdays you will have to choose. Yes. And did you say when our new calendar is coming out? No, I didn't. So our... We're making classes for next year. Yeah. We're making the calendar right now. So you can visit the web page often. And then our calendar will be posted probably the first of the year. Yeah, we usually have our calendar come out around the first of the year. January. We have to figure out what classes we're doing and then also find speakers for each of those classes. And if they're new classes, those speakers have to agree to put together new presentations. Which we all stand up and put our hand up for. Yes. Okay. So I have an answer for John. That plant you sent us is called Jack in the Pulpit. Jack in the Pulpit. Not one I have on my land. No, I don't think that I have it either. I don't have enough shade for it to come up on my land. Yeah, me either. I have full, full sun. I do face, I'm on the top north of a knoll and my garden faces south. Is he talking to us again? No, it actually looks like we had another. Susie Q from French Corral is listening and taking notes. Thank you, Susie, for texting us and letting us know that you're listening. Yeah, that's great. It is nice. Sometimes we get a full show where no one calls in and no one texts. It's like, is anybody out there? Sometimes I wonder. Yeah. But they're out there. Yeah. It's also technology while you're on the radio. It's like working this phone and remembering. We have to remember to look at the text messages, which is why we might get to it a little late. Yeah. No phone notifications coming in here. Yeah, no. That would be bad. If you are interested in our workshops, then you can pick up our calendar for the remainder workshops, the remaining workshops of this year at a local nursery or at one of our workshops. Yep. And the rest of the workshops are all at the demo garden. And I don't think I gave the address for the NID grounds. That's 1036 West Main Street in Grass Valley. And again, that's 10 to noon. We also have on Saturdays, we also have a demo garden that I've mentioned a couple of times there. And that is a bunch of different areas that we have planted out as master gardeners and we care for as master gardeners. So if you are really struggling with thinking about what you want to do with your land, you can come out there and get a couple of ideas. Yeah. Come see our native planting. Yeah, we do have we have like a little meadow area back there. We have a native plant area and we have an oak area. So if you like me and many other people in the county have oaks in your yard or nearby, then that's actually a great spot to go to get some ideas on what to plant underneath them. We also have a Mediterranean garden. Yes. We have vegetable gardens. We have an orchard. Yeah. We have the cottage garden, which I love. Yes, that is so beautiful. So many flowers. Right now, it's not quite as many flowers as it normally is. It really shines in the spring and early summer. It does. But at this point, you would see the different textures in the plants, which is, you know, also part of the aesthetics of having a cottage garden. Yeah, we have a lot of poppies that get really cool seed heads. Oh, yes. In the cottage garden. Yeah, that kind of stuff. I love, yes. Very much so. Yeah. So we've talked a little bit about composting, succession planting, some cool season veggies. What else do you, what else are you thinking about? I'm thinking about planning for fruit trees. So it's not quite the time to plant fruit trees yet. There's a difference between planning and planting. One of the big things that you want to do, and I know a lot of people don't necessarily think about this, but when you are planning to plant fruit trees, what you want is you really want to get a soil test before you plant those out. And that's just because you don't know what nutrients are available in your soil until you have gotten a soil test done. And there are online resources for you to get soil tests. I think that there's only one place in town that you can bring soil for a soil test nowadays, which we are not allowed to tell you which one, but you can look it up. And the benefit of doing that is you don't want to pay money for a bunch of fertilizers that you don't actually need to be adding to your soil for your fruit trees. Correct. Yeah. That's probably not an investment you want to make if you don't need to. Exactly. You could buy more fruit trees. Yeah. But yeah, I would highly recommend if you are starting to think about fruit trees, then you should also look up the hardiness zone of those fruit trees. There are some fruit trees that don't do as well in Nevada County, especially at higher elevations, just because they don't do as well with winter frost or they don't do as well with early spring frost, depending on when they flower out. And there are also some varieties that need a certain number of chill hours that we just can't make. Yes. Can't meet that. The same is true for some of the berry bushes that you might be planting. There are some blueberries that have cold hours that we do not meet. We don't have enough hours. Yeah. We might have a few cold days like that, but we don't have enough cold hours for them. Yeah. And normally cold hours are measured as 40 degrees or below for a number of hours overnight. And that's how you measure the amount of cold hours. So if it needs a couple, like five, 600 cold hours, we're probably not going to meet that in Grass Valley. Yes. That one hour, once a week, every few months is not going to meet it. No. And then you just won't get any berries or any fruit off of your tree. It just be a little shade. Yeah. You're just planting it for the aesthetics of it. That's right. Yes. It's like the flowering plums we put out there. Yeah. Looks good. Doesn't put anything out. Makes shade. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. Yeah. And on the opposite end, there are a couple of stone fruits that we don't plant and a couple of citrus fruits that we don't plant in our county because it gets too cold. And those are not hardy to the amount of cold that we get here. And so they will either grow but lose their flowers in the early spring after they've bloomed out or they won't grow at all in the case of a lot of citrus. It's time for a break again. Yeah. It's the top of the hour. 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If you have any questions about your garden, about any plants, then you can call us at 530-477-5626. Or you can give us a text at 530-913-4685. Yeah. And we've already gotten three texts from this program. People listening. Yeah. People listening. Thank you very much. A couple of questions. Thank you for your participation. Thank you. It is really appreciated. Yes. Yeah. So we were talking a little bit about workshops. We were talking a little bit about fruit trees and like planning out your fruit trees if you want to have some of an orchard this coming year. I think that we, over the break, mentioned that we have a couple of things to mention about the Master Gardeners of Nevada County specifically. So if you are just getting started gardening or if you've been gardening but don't know where to go when you have some questions about it, then you can actually pick up a garden guide from us. Yay! It's my favorite. I know. It's like my first line of defense when I have questions. So we carry garden guides at most of the local nurseries in Grass Valley and in Penn Valley, I believe. And I don't know about Nevada City. Probably. Probably. Probably. And you can pick up a garden guide from any of those fine retail locations or if you want to come to one of our workshops at the Demo Gardens, Saturdays 10 to noon, we also have garden guides available there. And that's... Our office. Yeah, and our office. At our office. They make great gifts. They really do. This year. Yeah. And it's written by us master gardeners. So tried and true information. Yeah. We definitely test this out. Not AI. No. We handwrite all of the things that are in there and it gives you planting guides. There's a neat little section that tells you month by month what you can be doing and we actually use that on this radio show sometimes. We'll go through what's actually recommended during the month so that you can have more information about gardening in our area. So I have a little story about that. Yeah. I have collected every version of this since I started gardening on my property 20 years ago maybe. And I write in the margins. So now I have this kind of diary over the last few decades that tell me what I was thinking about back then. Yeah. So fun. That's really cool. We have little lines in a lot of the sections for you to write your own notes because as much as our garden guide is there to guide you, you will also have specific and unique experiences to your location for gardening. So we do provide you with a little bit of area for you to take notes if you want to look back at it over the years and be like, oh, well, did this plant do well? Or like a good place to journal. Yeah, it really is. Yeah. And then we also have a free quarterly publication done with the Placer County Master Gardeners. It's called the Curious Gardener. And you can sign up for that newsletter on our site at ncmg.ucanr.org. And if you sign that up, if you sign up, we will not sell your information anywhere. We will just ask you for your county, your name, and your email address. And then once every three months, we will send you the Curious Gardener. And you can read articles written by Master Gardeners. Yes. Great publication. Very informative. Yeah. It's really fun. And we can actually use that for continuing education as Master Gardeners. So we can read the, because it's all science based. It's all approved by our science communicator from the UC, because we do. from the UC, and so you can be sure that we are giving you real information about whatever the articles are about. And then I think the last thing that I wanted to mention was we do have a Speakers Bureau. So if you have an organization and you want to have a Master Gardener talk about a variety of any variety of topics, you can call in to our hotline number. That's 530-273-0919. And then you can request a speaker and the topic and somebody will get back to you to arrange that speaker. Yeah, it's a great way to get up-to-the-minute information right in your organization or gathering. Yeah, I'm actually a part of the Speakers Bureau. I speak on native plants. That's like kind of my forte. Yeah. And so if you want to listen to somebody talk about native plants for an hour, then you can always request a native plant speaker and it might be me. That's right. Yeah, so it's September. We're kind of winding down gardens from the summer at this point. And we talked a little bit about winter gardening cover crops and what you can do to get prepared. One of the things that you can do right now, which is everyone's favorite topic, is repairing your tools. Oh, yes. Just cleaning them. Just finding a home for them that's not in the weather. Yes, they do rust and that's like not great. They will dull and you can either sharpen them yourself or usually you can get them sharpened if you're not comfortable sharpening them yourself. One of the things that I found out when I was going through the Master Gardener classes was that you can actually get your shovels sharpened. Yeah. And that really helps if you have a shovel where you're trying to dig and it's just not doing anything. It might be because the edge of your shovel is dull. Who knew? Who knew? And so if you clean those up now, then you're really ready for any of the gardening maintenance that you might want to get started in a couple of months. And if you do review your tools, you may find that you need to replace some of them before we get to pruning season. Yeah. Yep. And it's good to know now rather than the day that you go out to prune. Yes. Because that's always a bummer when you go to grab a shear and you find that you've left it outside in a garden bed and now it's rusted and you can't use it anymore. Need some work before it can be used. Yeah. Yeah. I'm good at that. I was using that shovel. So I left it right there where I need to use it again. Yeah. Right. And it gets rained on. It gets rained on. Yeah. I do a lot of catch up in conditioning handles. Yes. I often find that my handles are a little sad. Yeah. At the end of summer. I'm getting better at that. Yeah. All right. Well, it looks like it is time for another break. And so we will be back in a couple of minutes with Master Gardeners and Friends. Be right back. What if you could spend less time on chores and more time doing what you love at Eschaton Village Grass Valley? That's everyday life nestled on 42 beautiful acres in the Sierra foothills. Eschaton Village Grass Valley is a nonprofit senior living community designed to help you live fully. And as a nonprofit, we reinvest every dollar into creating a vibrant supportive community for our residents. 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One of the things we didn't mention is in the early spring, if you see a large group of daffodils blooming, popping up in front of buildings or in parks. Roadways. Roadways. That was probably the Nevada County Master Gardeners. So we choose a new location every year, and then we get out in a big group, and we just plant a bunch of daffodil bulbs. A lot. A lot. A lot, a lot. Yeah. Some years it's easier than others. It really depends on if it has rained recently or not, because we do have heavy clay soil in most of Nevada County. Yes. Something we do for the county. Yeah. And it's just a nice little pop of color in the spring as you're going through. Mm-hmm. Yeah, so I guess we can talk a little bit about, we were talking about tool maintenance beforehand. You can sharpen and clean your tools now leading into the winter, because there are some tasks that you need to be doing in the winter, like pruning some of your fruit trees or ornamentals. Moving mulch. Moving mulch and digging holes for bare root ornamentals. We might even include wheelbarrows in this assessment of what your tools need. Yeah, actually, make sure that your wheelbarrows are still working. It's going to be hard to move mulch if my wheelbarrow doesn't work. Yep. Condition those handles if you have wood handles, because it kind of sucks to be pulling and pushing a wheelbarrow where the handles are splintered. Yeah. That's not an exercise I want to explore. No. But yeah, you can get started with all of that. And now is actually a good time to start working on your defensible spaces around your house. That's a lot of pruning and raking and cutting, right? It is. Yes. So there are some new guidelines that will be coming out sometime next year around FireWise. I believe the University of California is working with the state to establish new guidelines for the different zones that you can have around your house, because there's different recommendations for how you should maintain and groom your yard, depending on how far away it is from structures. But generally right now, the recommendations are nothing flammable within five feet of your house. And this is a recommendation? Yes, recommendations. They're not done yet. Yeah, no. But nothing within five feet. And I have heard that you can have some container plants within five feet, as long as they're movable. That's what we heard. Yeah. And then that's Zone 0. Zone 1 is up to 30 feet away from your structures. And that is you want paths where you want like hardscaping to break up any of the ornamentals or any of your other plants, just to make sure that there are spaces between each of your beds. Kind of like islands of green. Yeah, islands of green. And that helps so that if something does catch fire, it doesn't spread immediately through that 30 foot zone. Yes. Yeah. Yes. Did you see Anne's article in the Union? Oh, I didn't. On the 12th, she talked about it. Oh, that's perfect. Yeah. So you'll have to go find that. Yeah. Anne Wright is a Master Gardener. And she is a wonderful human being. Yeah. She's on the radio occasionally. She is. I am sometimes on the radio with her. Sure. Yeah. So if you do have some ideas about wanting to clean up your space, then I highly recommend you look up firewise landscaping online. And there are plenty of state based articles for California that you can read and get a little bit more information on that and then clean up your yard and clean up your garden space just to keep everything safe. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Other than that, I think now is around the time that you can also start seeding out some things for overwinter that will pop up in the spring. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That kind of seeding out. I'm thinking firewise and seeding. Oh, no, no. Next topic. Next topic. It's bulb season. Oh, yeah. It is bulb season. It's bulb season for your spring blooming bulbs. Yes. So if you have daffodils, look for those. They're coming out now. You can put them in the ground. Yeah. I have a tendency to buy my daffodils at this time of month. I buy it as a birthday present for myself. And then as soon as the first rain comes, then I go out and plant them. Yes. Again, because there's a lot of clay soil in this area, it's kind of easier to wait until it's rained at least once. At least once. Yeah. And we're not talking about the piddly rain that we got in the last month. Yeah. None of those. We're talking about some good rain that will really soak the soil and make it a little bit easier to dig down into. Yeah. Unless you have other people you want to give that chore to. Yes. Young'uns who need something to do. Yes. Now is also the time that you can start looking at seed catalogs and bulb catalogs. Or at least ordering them. Yeah. So they all show up. If you have something that you are interested in, then you can get a larger variety of different flowering plants. If you do order those catalogs now and then they'll show up in a couple of months and you can choose which ones you want. Yeah. I have a tendency to cut up past catalogs from my journal. Yeah. My garden journal. I mean, like, why not? Yeah. It's like, once I have the new one, the old one's not that helpful. Yeah. One of the things that I do like to do every year is I have one raised bed where I plant dahlias. And I will choose, like, I have one dahlia that did really well this year. And then the other two or three dahlias that I planted in that bed did not do quite as well. So I'm probably going to rip those out, maybe give those tubers to somebody else who can give them a little bit more water or like a little bit more shade than what I gave them because mine were getting like 14 hours of sun, which I think is why some of them did not do quite as well. Yeah. But the seed catalog is somewhere that if I see a dahlia that is just absolutely gorgeous, that's usually where I'm going to find them. It's like really weird dahlias because I love weird looking plants. So you go for the aesthetics and then see if they grow in your space. Yeah, basically. And if they don't, I will usually have somebody who can take the bulbs, especially for dahlias. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Like spread the love, you know? Mm hmm. So it would also be the time for tulips. Mm hmm. And you probably could find some bearded irises. Yeah. Because you could actually, if you had bearded irises or knew someone had bearded irises and needed to thin them, now's the time to do it. Yeah. And so you can have them thin those and then give you the extras. Yeah. Mm hmm. Yeah. Or maybe help them thin it. Yes. You can offer to come out and help thin it and say, oh, I just want one or two. Yeah. Because once you thin out your bearded iris, they put out more flowers. They are happier. Yeah, there are actually a lot of like bulb plants that get a little too crowded if you leave them for more than and cranky and then you don't get blooms and you're just looking at it and you're like it bloomed so beautifully last year yeah what happened and it might just be that it doesn't have enough space underground to really thrive so actually going in digging out some of those bulbs separating them and then planting them somewhere else or giving them away is a great way to make sure that you will continue to have blooms yes yeah yes and they don't like company they don't they don't you know they like to be don't plant them in your vinca no they like to be on their own yes yeah and then now is also the time for you to prepare beds for wildflowers so if you want to seed out some wildflowers or other just like generally spring blooming flowers that you can grow from seed then you can start preparing your beds for that now and sprinkle those seeds out maybe put some rice straw over top to give them a little bit of protection depending on what the flower but the like seed packet says to do mm-hmm and then you'll get spring blooms yes and as far as the wildflowers are concerned if you're putting them in a bed that you've worked in it should be ready for seeds but if you're gonna throw them out in your yard you need to look at the space to see what kind of weeds they will be competing with yeah you might have to do some weed treatments to take down that competition yeah and then water heavily when you get the wildflower seeds out there so they grow faster than weeds yeah that is a big thing that like a lot of people think that they can just kind of throw seeds out and it'll go and like some of your wildflowers might pop up if that happens but weed competition does tend to grow a little earlier and a little bit more vigorously than a lot of the wildflowers you might want to plant mm-hmm and then they don't get the Sun or the nutrients that they need and you just end up not getting a lot of wildflowers and you've kind of wasted money yep so weeding out that area is a great call and if you happen to have our Western Garden book there's a whole paragraph in it under September about wildflowers yes and what you need to do so you could reference that if you need a reminder yeah mm-hmm yeah so that's like I am planning on doing that a little bit soon but we'll talk more about that after our break yeah good idea this is the place with a helpful hardware folks need a hand with your next painting project your neighbors at BNCA's Home and Garden Center are always ready to go that extra mile to help right now you'll save five dollars on a gallon of Benjamin Moore Magnolia Home by Joanna Gaines Clark and Kensington or Royal paint when you buy a color sample once you've chosen your paint their experts will make sure you have the primer applicators and other supplies you need to get the job done so you only have to make one trip BNCA's Home and Garden Center 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your future secure call Ostro Financial Consultants in Grass Valley at 530 273 4425 that's 530 273 4425 Ostro Financial financial direction with peace of mind hello and welcome back to Master Gardeners and Friends a KNCO radio program my name is Cassidy Latham Faulkner and I'm Ellie Lightfoot and we are here on this two-way radio program we would love it if you would call us with any of your gardening questions we have a call line five three zero four seven seven five six two six or you can give us a text at five three zero nine one three four six eight five yeah and we would love to hear from you we like answering your gardening questions and if we can't answer it then we will pass off your information to our hotline and then those master gardeners will get back to you with an answer mm-hmm yeah we talked a little bit about wildflowers and then over the break we actually started talking about solarizing yeah yeah so if you have a big patch of very weedy yard and you just don't know what to do with it and you want to start over solarization is a great thing for you to do and it's actually almost time for you to start solarizing if you do end up wanting to go that route so can you talk a little bit about how to solarize an area well on my land the best method is to weed whack as close to the ground as I can there will be some deep-rooted plants I recognize that I will have to dig out because I know no bit of solarization will take care of a plant with a root that's bigger than your biggest carrot so once I've cleared enough of it then I give it a good watering and then I pull the tarps over it and weigh them down so they don't fly away and wait yeah and my workflow that works perfectly because it can sit there till I'm ready to come back to it yeah and since wildflowers really need a clean start they don't need to be competing with plants that are already established solarization is the best way to take care of that without doing a lot of backbreaking work for me yeah that works well for me yeah and you can really put that down over the winter and then like Ellie said you can leave it for however long you need to leave it before you're ready to tackle that usually you want to use something dark to kind of smother light from any of the plants that are underneath and it will just it will kill off anything within three to four inches at the top of the soil that does mean that you kill off the good fungi that are in there but you can reestablish that yes so the moisture causes the seeds to start thinking the weed seeds to start thinking that they might want to grow and then there's warmth underneath there so they pop up and they're growing their little heart out and then they get above soil and they can't find any Sun and that's where they die so you really do take care of a good amount of seed there yeah it really takes care of the seed bank that you have the trick is then don't till after that and bring up new seeds yeah when you till you might be tilling like eight to ten inches down into the soil and that just brings up a lot of the seeds that might have be farther down in the soil that wouldn't have sprouted otherwise and then you have to do it again and I have one friend who would have to till just has to till and I'd say okay do that before the solarization stir it up right now yeah and then then do the solarization yeah get anything that you want at the top at the top now mm-hmm so that you can be done with it and just do it once and I have places in my yard where I've solarized for a season mm-hmm three to six months I left it laying there because that's how my workflow is right now yeah and when I pull it off to the next area it usually stays pretty clear of weeds not a hundred percent there's still some very good ones that I didn't pull the long route out that will come back but it stays pretty weed free for a good year yeah it's I won't say it's no work to know it but it's a lower effort than a lot of the other ways that you might be killing weeds off in your yard like you don't have to spray anything you don't have to walk around and like do any of the like sheet compost mulching that you might be doing lasagna gardening you just have to throw a single tarp over it after you cut it down and water it it works well on my back acreage road yeah it's just I don't travel on it enough to keep the weeds down yeah this works and I believe we actually did that in our demo garden when we were getting the meadows ready yes we did yeah I worked on that crew yeah there was there were pictures we had a lawn workshop last week Saturday yeah yes that Tully and Ann actually did and they had pictures of our master gardener crew putting down the plastic to solarize yes yeah I remember coming back and pulling the plastic off so that we could seed it or you know move to the next step yeah and it was trying to rain on us I got this call can you run over and do this because we wanted the rain on it and so yeah went over on my lunch hour took a co-worker with me and we pulled that tarp off and bundled it up so that the soil wouldn't get the rain yeah and then you could plant a little easier if you're getting plugs or if you were doing some seeds or whatever we ended up we ended up with sod okay yeah meadow sod oh wow yeah that's a cool option that I didn't know was yeah we could do that's fun yeah it was fun yeah yeah so I I didn't I'm not solarizing my backyard I have a bed area that I pulled cardboard over mm-hmm and that cardboard has shifted around a little bit at this point and there are a couple of weeds popping up I have a lot of blackberry I live like right off of one of the NID ditches or like one of the like water ditches mm-hmm for runoff mm-hmm and it is covered yeah in blackberry so that has infiltrated my yard quite a bit well that's a good sign of water Himalayan blackberries come up when there when there's underground water yeah so yeah you probably have seepage yeah I almost definitely do but honestly putting down just like a thick layer of cardboard and then some wood mulch on top has really helped with the seed like the seeds that I would normally be getting mm-hmm and I actually found that at some point I put a bunch of cardboard down on an area and then decided that that's not the area I wanted to plant out a couple months later moved to the cardboard off of it oh and everything underneath had died yes so it's not something that you have to put tarp down but tarp a tarp is just like kind of the easiest largest thing that you can put down largest being the optimum word there because if you're doing a big space that's what it's for yes that is yeah yeah although I've seen cardboard and wood chips do big spaces too yeah and I was in the I I replaced my my whole house heater with mini splits and so I had a lot of cardboard from the new mini splits and then we ended up picking up some new furniture and so I had a lot of cardboard from that and so I just had like a lot of big pieces of cardboard that I could lay down which was much more convenient than laying down a bunch of small boxes from anything that I'm getting shipped yeah and it was thicker cardboard than what I would normally get mm-hmm in like an another shipping box but yeah that bed is now ready for the CNPS plant sale on October 3rd yeah I just have to figure out what I'm actually going to be putting down and you need that plant list I do yeah I need to look at the plant list and actually decide because it's mostly going to be shrubs I don't think I'm planting any trees in that area specifically mm-hmm and so I want shrubs and low-lying annuals if I can get those it's also direct Sun oh wow for any any time past like noon it's direct Sun so I have to plan for all of that which I will be using Calscape for to make sure that I'm actually planting and Spending my money on plants that are going to survive down there. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Very good. Although, I do think now that you say it, because I do have seepage, I might be able to get away with some things that would normally not work quite as well in full, full sun because there is some extra water in my yard. Until there isn't. Yeah, until there isn't. And then I have to lay lines for irrigation. That's right. I'm currently dealing with that myself. Yeah. We fixed the leak, and now there's no seepage. It's like, oh, I actually relied on that for some of my garden beds. Yeah. Yeah, the landscaping. I have a few trees that are going, really? We have to go find our own water now? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We'll see. See how they respond to this new situation. Yeah. That is something that I have very much tried to not have to do, is I have not put any irrigation down in my yard, in my backyard or my side yard, which is part of the reason why I use Oya's terracotta pots in my, like, raised garden beds, is so that I can just bring a hose around. But I know as I start planting things out, I'm going to want irrigation so that I don't have to be out there, like, once a week hand watering everything, because that sounds like too much work. Sounds like a project ahead. Yeah. So I'm going to wait for that first rain so we can actually dig out and, like, maybe lay down some piping and lines so that I have something near to the garden beds that I'm planning. Good. Yeah. Well, good luck with that. Keep us posted. Yeah. I have been talking about doing it for years and I need to actually get started. Every gardener knows that story about talking about it for years. Yeah. Yeah. I've been planning it. I've been talking about it and I just have not actually stepped up to the plate yet. And I really, I really want to because it's good for my yard. My yard is just weeds and a couple of trees at this point. So it's not very aesthetic. We don't really spend time out there. And I would love to have something beautiful to be looking at and spending time out there. You will spend time out there. Oh, yeah. When the little one comes along. I know, right? Yeah. Gonna have to. Yeah. It's gonna be a bigger space for them to run around in. Yeah. Yeah. I am thinking about planning a meadow out there so that I have like some grasses that are native that can kind of like flop over or grasses that can be cut short just so that we have an area because we have rock mulch in the current garden area because that's where we also have like our barbecue. And so we don't want anything that could be flammable near the barbecue. But I want an area that we actually can go out and like sit down and like play in that's not just weeds. Yeah. The croquet ball gets lost in the weeds. I know, right? Yeah. That's right. Oh, look at it. It's time to go again. Break time. Yeah. Yeah. We'll be back with the master and gardeners and friends in a couple of minutes. Stay tuned. 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Hi, welcome back to the Master Gardeners and Friends radio show. I'm Master Gardener, Cassidy Leithen-Faulkner. And I'm Master Gardener, Ellie Lightfoot. And this is a two-way radio show. We've got about 13 to 12, 12-ish minutes left on this radio show. So if you have any gardening questions, then you can give us a call for the next 12-ish minutes at 530-477-5626. Or if you're a bit shy, you can give us a call, a text at 530-913-4685. Yeah, we, over the break, we were talking a little bit about our gardens and how they produced this year, I know. And then we were talking a little bit about deer, because that is a big thing for basically everybody in our county and Placer County is that deer will decimate your garden. You don't fence. Yeah. It's got to be a fence. Yeah. So I actually have, I don't have the entire area fenced in. What I do is if I have any plants that deer really love, like tomatoes or peppers or eggplants, which I did plant all of those this year, I put T-posts on the corners of my garden bed and then just run chicken wire around them because I rotate my beds every year. And so I don't want to have a permanent fence up around like one or two of the beds. So that's what I did this year. And it's a little bit of a pain to like have to go in and water because I hand fill the pots that I'm using to kind of disseminate water into the bed. But honestly, it worked really well for the entire time that I was actually watering those plants. The deer could not get them. They might've gotten a couple of the branches that poked out. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yes. But I can see why you were tired of watering by August. Yes. Yeah. Definitely. Definitely. Yes. Well, my, the only solution I know to keep deer out of your vegetable garden is to fence it in. Yeah. I have a breach somewhere, so they show up occasionally, evidence that they were there shows up occasionally. The interesting thing to me this year is that I have an area where wild Amaryth came up. Yeah. And that's what they go to. Really? They walk past nearly every other garden bed. Yeah. I mean, I can see where, you know, that, that, um, you know how tomatoes like to grow right into the path. Yeah. So that little edge got nibbled like they were tasting it or something, but they didn't go after the tomato plant. Nope. They're going to that wild Amaryth that's grown on the edges. Huh. They've stripped them. It's amazing. Noted. Okay. Hey, better look at that. It might be a food source. Yeah. And like if they'll go after that versus going after my, my vegetables that I'm actually trying to eat. Yeah. That's a great thing to put down. Yeah. I'm going to, it's a one-off this year. We'll see what goes on next year. I might encourage more. I mean, I was going to wood, I was going to sheet mulch the paths. But if the Amaryth is going to come up and it's going to save my garden from the wayward deer that comes in next year after I fix the fence, then I might let it go. Yeah. Yeah. So interesting fact there. Yeah. But if you do have some issues with deer in your garden, honestly, the best thing that you can do is fence it in. There are a lot of things that claim to be deterrents for deer, but once the deer figure out that it's not going to hurt them, they don't care anymore. They figure out you have a good food source for them. Yeah. They will continue coming back. Yeah. That's right. That's all I can do at this point. I know. But then there's other critters that I don't know what to do with yet. You know, I've heard a lot about ground squirrels and gophers and I think I have maybe a rat or two. Hasn't hit the vegetable garden, but you know, the space where I thought I'd grow grass for the chickens and I let the weeds come up there. Hmm. Something's eating that. Yeah. Yeah. I don't have rats, but I do definitely have a lot of squirrels. And so one of the things that you can do for that, what I did was I have a very tight fence around my garden bed. And so they don't really, and there's no trees overhanging it, so they don't really jump in there. Once I opened up that fence for the end of the season, because I was just done taking care of those plants, then I think a squirrel came in and grabbed the last tomato that was on one of my plants. But really one of the other things that a lot of people deal with is like ground dwelling rodents. Yes. And preventing those is all about planning when you are actually putting in your garden bed. And when you are putting in your bare root ornamentals and fruit trees, you kind of need to put down chicken wire or something else that they can't bite through. Another fence. Yeah. Another fence just underground. Underground fence, yes. And that way they can't kill off any of your plants as they are growing in. That way they can still get some of the roots, but those roots have already grown so much to get outside of the chicken wire that you've put down, that your plant will be able to survive them eating those roots off a little bit. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Don't we have a class on that? I think that we do. We'll have a workshop. No guarantee, but because we are planning our workshops right now, I do believe that that is a very well-attended class every year, so we will probably end up having that class again next year. Yeah. If you didn't hear it the first time, you probably will hear it the second time. Yeah. So come back. Yeah. Most definitely. Yeah. And that's one of the things that I don't think that I've mentioned, is we do actually have an opportunity if you are in the general public and you really want a workshop on something specific, we always have forms that you can fill out to kind of request these workshops. And that's part of the way that we decide what workshops we're going to do, is usually feedback from another workshop. We have these feedback sheets that we do at the end of the workshop, and we ask people, what do you want to see in our workshops next year? What would be useful for you? So if you ever looked at the workshop calendar and said, like, I don't really think that any of these are relevant to me, but I would love to learn more about gardening, that's a great way for you to tell us what you're looking for. And they can call the hotline and leave it there. Yeah. You can also call our hotline, and I'm going to read that number off one more time. It's 530-273-0919, and you can leave a message. And if you have any workshop requests, if there's anything specific that you want to learn about, then please leave us a message, and we will take that into account while we're planning. Yeah. Now's the best time, because we have not set down what our workshops are going to be next year yet. They are working hard on that. Yeah. Yep. Yep. Yeah, I think we only have a couple of minutes left. So I think the last thing that I want to talk about is, we talked a little bit about cover cropping and mulching at the beginning. Now is a great time to lay down new mulch. If you have ornamentals, if you have fruit trees, if you have a garden that you are going to be putting to bed for the winter, and you don't want to necessarily do a cover crop, then adding in mulch is a great way for you to maintain your soil. a great way for you to use less water throughout the year. We generally recommend for ornamentals that you do some sort of arbor mulch. So that's wood mulch around your ornamentals. For your garden, you can do wood mulch if you want to, but there's also a lot of other mulches that are a little lighter. A lot of master gardeners recommend rice straw. Yes, we do. Yeah. Cause it's easy to plant through rice straw. So you can mulch it out and then you don't have to move it next year when you want to plant your spring garden. You can just kind of like poke a hole in it, plant down and then it can stay there. You know, I have a box at a client's that I had to do that too, but I had to pull the mulch back because they needed a good four inches more of soil because it had settled. And so everything had to be raised up a little, all the watering system. So we pulled the mulch back, added the soil, relayed the lines and then put the mulch in. Yeah. Was that pretty easy with the rice straw or was it kind of messy? No, actually it had started to decompose. So there wasn't a lot of it left and it clumped together really well and didn't make a huge mess. Nice. Yeah. Cause it was pretty easy. I have arbor mulch down on my beds, but it has kind of like broken down over the past couple of years. And so I started with like three or four inches and now I have about two inches of arbor mulch. And I want to pull it back, but I have to kind of like sift it if I want to pull it back and add more soil, which I will have to do next year. Yeah. Yeah. Time to do that. Yeah. It's just a great thing. And if you don't necessarily want to pay for arbor mulch, but you do want arbor mulch, then you can always sign up on ChipDrop. And that is like arborists in the area can kind of look at that and then they will drop chipped trees for you, chipped like landscaping mulch for you. One thing I will say about ChipDrop is if you do sign up and you have a small yard, make sure to talk with your neighbors about maybe distributing that a little because they can drop up to, I think 20 cubic yards, 30 cubic yards of mulch. And that is a lot of mulch. Sounds like you speak from experience. Yeah. It's big piles. So if you do want to go that route and don't necessarily want to pay for like bags of mulch just make sure that you have some neighbors who are also willing to take some of it or have a lot of land that you want to mulch off of. Oh my goodness. Is that the end of our hour? I know that's the top of the hour. It is now noon or close to it. --- end of transcript ---