Show: Master Gardener Station: KNCO File: 10:17.mp3 Air date: 2026-10-17 Source: OpenAI whisper-1 · shrunk from 123.6 MB to 24.7 MB, split into 8 pieces --- transcript --- Good morning and welcome to Master Gardeners and Friends, a KNCO radio program. My name is Cassidy Latham Faulkner. And I'm Master Gardener Ellie Lightfoot. And we are here today to talk about gardening. Our program is brought to you by the University of California Cooperative Extension, the United States Department of Agriculture, Nevada County Master Gardeners, and KNCO News Talk Radio along with all of their fine sponsors. Thank you so much to KNCO Talk Radio. Because of their fine sponsors, we get a two-hour slot to talk to you about gardening. Yay! Which is fantastic. As Nevada County Master Gardeners, our mission is to inspire foothill home gardeners to embrace research-based sustainable gardening practices so our community and our environment can thrive. This is a two-way radio program. And we're here to answer your questions. So we're inviting you to call us today at 477-5626. That's 530-477-5626. Or you can give us a text at 530-913-4685. Let us know you're out there. Yeah, let us know you're out there. You can send us pictures through the text line if you have anything that you're like not quite sure about. We love to chat with you. And that is the point of this radio show. Otherwise, you're just going to be hearing us talk about our own gardening. Well, that sounds like fun too. I mean, yeah. So please give us a call if you are listening. And let's get into it. So it's October. Yes. Right now, we are starting to go into the last couple of weeks of the Nevada County Master Gardener workshops. So that's right. Today, if you are listening and you're like, I don't know what to do with my Saturday morning, then they are just starting the gardening. I believe they're doing the... Cool season. Are they doing cool season vegetables? Cool season vegetables. Yeah, Rob's doing it. Yeah. So if you would like to go to that workshop, our workshops are free. And you can visit the NID grounds on West Main Street in Grass Valley. And we have a workshop going. Right now, it started at 10. Started at 10. It's 10 to noon. It's, again, free. And I love going to the workshops. I host some of them sometimes. I volunteer at some of them sometimes. And I think they're full of really good, valuable information. Yeah. Yeah. I wanted to go to this one. And it's like, oh, look at that. I double booked myself. I know, me too. They needed one more Master Gardener volunteer. And I was like, oh, I can do that. Wait, no. Yeah. Nope, I'm busy. So yeah, if you're listening and you're just like, I want something to do with my Saturday morning, then maybe head on over to the West Main Street NID grounds. To our demo garden. To our demo garden. Yeah. How's your garden going? I haven't done anything with it yet. You mean you still have summer sitting there? Yeah, I do. I was going to clean out all of the tomatoes and like eggplants and everything. Oh, it looks like we already have a caller. Yay. Perfect. Sue, you're on the line. Okay, so I have a crazy question. Yeah. We love it. My azaleas usually bloom, you know, in the spring. And they did. And then they started blooming again about three weeks ago. Aren't you lucky? Not every plant, but like three different colors did. Yeah. Three different plants. And so this was my question. Does that mean I can cut them back now when they're done blooming this time? Or is it too late because they all bloomed in the spring? No, I think you can cut them back as soon as they drop their flowers. Yeah, you can totally deadhead them once they've bloomed again. And that's like, I have also noticed some of my plants blooming again this fall because of the like warm weather that we've been getting. But yeah, you should be able to cut them back and then they'll still bloom in the spring. I do recommend if you're going to do a hard pruning, like you're doing some major shaping Yeah. To wait till we get to hard winter and it's cold and they're very dormant. Okay. Yeah. So I had always thought you couldn't cut azaleas back till after they bloomed. And I didn't realize you could do it in cold, in the winter. I didn't know that. Yeah. Yeah. Sounds good then. That's my question. Lovely. Yeah. Thank you so much for giving us a call. All right, Sue, bye. Bye. Wow, I think that's the earliest call I've ever gotten while on the radio show. Well, thank you, Sue. Yeah, thank you so much, Sue. Setting the tone for the show. That's great. Yeah, so I last time that we chatted, I was talking about taking out the tomatoes, eggplant and peppers that I still have up in a garden bed because I've cleaned out my other garden beds. But that garden bed still has stuff in it. And then my tomatoes started blooming again. And I was like, oh, maybe I can actually get tomatoes. Did you? No, the deer got them. Oh, no. Yeah, I guess it's a sign that those might be done. Yeah. And I have a small herd that likes to come through my backyard, especially in like the fall. And so I was expecting them to come through and eat a little bit, but they came through basically the day after my tomatoes started blooming and just ate all of them off. And so. Yeah, they really love tomato flowers. They really do. Dang. It's nice and tender and sweet and exactly what they're looking for. So are your peppers done? Yeah, my peppers are done. I do not have a very good track record with peppers, to be honest. I usually get a couple of peppers off of my plants and then they just look sad. And I don't know if it's because I plant them too early and so they get a little cold and like damaged or if I'm not giving them enough water or what's going on. But usually my peppers do not produce as much as I would want them to. I do one pepper of several varieties. Yeah. And I run my rows from east to west and I have a southeast prevailing wind. So when we had those cold, cold nights. Yeah. Cold days and the wind came in from that side of the garden. I noticed that everything on peppers, tomato, that side of the tomatoes looked grumpy. Yeah. You know, they got a little wilty or they got the edges of the leaves got a little brown. And most of my basil on that side and the peppers on the south side of this tomato trellising are really on the done side. Yeah. I mean, they're not doing anything that serves me. So I'm almost ready to pull them out. Except that on the north side, which was protected from that wind, it looks like it's June. Everything is green and leafy. I have basil that's putting out a second, third, fourth crop probably. And the peppers are turning red. And they're all, it's amazing. It's like, you know, this little jungle on that side of the trellising. It's amazing what microclimates do to garden plants. Right there, south and north. And the north is looking good because it was protected from harsh weather. And the south is looking, we'll just say burnt. Yeah. A lot of sun. And they all get watered the same and all get mulched the same and all get fed the same. Yeah. It's just that some of them get a little bit more like. Yeah. They get more cold on that side because that's the prevailing wind. Yeah. So it's kind of interesting. So I'm going to have four of my carmen peppers. Okay. Because I have one plant and I have four that are ripening up. Yeah. And then I have one that's a Thai chili, the little tiny ones. Yeah. And I dry those and grind them up and put them in my chicken food because chickens can't taste it, but rats and squirrels can. Yeah. Yeah. Isn't that like also a good way to get mites to stay away from your chickens? Is like having a little bit of red chili pepper or is that a myth? I don't know. I haven't heard that. Okay. We'll find out. Yeah. Because this is the first year I've actually used Thai chilies. Usually I have cayenne. Okay. Yeah. Now that I dry for the chickens. I grow them for the chickens. Yeah. Yeah. Because I've heard of growing peppers and like drying them and putting it into chicken food. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, nice. What I want to do this fall is I want to get started on a couple of beds lower in my property because right now my front yard has a couple of small beds in it. But my backyard has more sun and it has a little bit less wind. It's just like the getting all of that together, putting it, putting the bed down because I like to do raised beds is something that I have to actually plan and like put together. Yes. All right. Well, it looks like we are about to go out on break. So join us in a couple of minutes for more Master Gardeners and Friends. Be right back. Did you know Robinson Enterprises has a full service tire shop? 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So now is the perfect time to start planning for fall planting. Yes. Yeah, so a couple of things that you can be planning for. If you want to plant fruit trees, then the best thing to do right now is get a soil test. If you haven't already gotten a soil test, you can look up online how to do that and where to send it. And the reason we recommend a soil test is because you don't want to be spending money on amendments that you don't actually need to put in. Yeah. And so it's great to send your soil off. You choose a couple of different locations around your yard and you send that soil off to a soil testing facility or I think there's like one location in town, you can look it up, who still does soil testing. And then they... it will send you back what is actually in the contents of your soil. And then you know whether you need to amend it or not with anything. Does that report come back with what you need to do? Like add this to improve your pH or something like that? I don't think so. I think it just, it gives you the straight numbers of like percentages and parts per million for all of the various like nutrients and micronutrients that you have in your soil. And then you can cross-check that with what you actually need for any of your things. Or you can ask a garden store employee or you can call the Master Gardeners. On their hotline. And ask us, yeah. So we do have a hotline. Let me find the actual, there we go. Our hotline number is 530-273-0919. And we have somebody manning the hotline Tuesdays nine to noon. But if you just get a voicemail or if you don't get somebody in person you can leave us a message. Leave us your contact information so we can get back to you. And then whoever is there at the hotline can look up the answer to your question and respond to you. Yes, so if you think of us at 2 a.m. you could leave a message. Yeah, yeah. We have a 24-7 voicemail set up. And then if you want to ask somebody in person then you can also come down to 255 South Auburn Street at the Veterans Memorial Building. And there's going to be a Master Gardener there in person 9 a.m. to noon on Tuesdays. Yep. Yeah. It's also a great time to bring that bug or that diseased leaf in a secure container and you could bring it down to the office and we'll see what we can tell you about it. Yeah, and if we can't answer you immediately then we have a whole slew of Master Gardeners who all have their own specialties. Yes. And so we will take down your contact information and then we can send that along to the Master Gardener who can answer the question and then we'll get back to you. Yep, it's a collective brain. Yes, it really is. So yeah, if you are planning on doing fruit trees, I say this for fruit trees specifically because fruit trees are a time investment. And so it's really great to have that soil test available to you so you know what you're doing when you plant those fruit trees. You know what you need to amend the soil with when you plant those fruit trees. So you get the best growth and the best yield out of those fruit trees that you can. Yeah. It's also almost time to, I think you can start pre-ordering bare root fruit trees. From some nurseries. From some nurseries. Yeah. And it is usually recommended because they do actually, they do a little better if you buy a bare root fruit tree and plant it down. I always found I did better if I could plant them in the fall. Yeah. So they'd have all those cool months to get acclimated. In some areas where the ground does not freeze, that would be my house, the roots do something through the winter. Yeah. It's slow, but it's steady. And come spring, it's like they've already got their roots. The top can just blossom out. Yeah. Yeah. And if you're wondering, well, how do I make sure that those fruit trees survive my gophers? Yeah. Which many people in the county do. What you can do is if you dig out a little bit wider of a hole for that fruit tree, you can then put chicken wire or some other type of metal wire down into the hole. It's actually called gopher wire. Gopher wire. And it's smaller. Yeah. And it's smaller than chicken wire. Yeah. So go for something that's called gopher wire. And then there's also the gopher wire cages, which is a smaller hole. Yeah. And then once you put that down, you can then create kind of like a soil mound in there, put the fruit tree down on top of that soil mound and fan out the roots as much as you can, fill it in, put some compost down. Because even though I do say, hey, don't do a soil test so you know what to amend it with, compost is always gonna be a good call for fruit trees. And then that gives them enough nutrients to really start growing before you get into the winter months where it gets very cold and it might freeze. Yes. Yeah? Yeah. So would recommend. The other thing that I recommend for fruit trees is pay attention to the sun throughout the day and throughout the next couple of months to see where it's going to be getting enough sun. Oh, I see, for the tree, yes. Yeah. Yes. Just because it's easy to plant it somewhere and be like, oh, it's gonna be beautiful here and then it gets shade for most of the day. Yes. And fruit trees really want a lot of sun. Yeah, and you have to think through how big the trees that are already there are gonna get. Yeah. I have a Asian pear like that. It is now been crowded out by the trees that were there before it. So it's like, oh, okay, so I have to keep those trees chopped back if that Asian pear is gonna do anything. But it's not dead yet. So there's still hope that, you know, maybe it'll end up being, you know, bonsai because it's really doing the reachy thing. Yeah. And you can, so that actually segues pretty well into we were going to talk about planning to prune. Oh, yes. Planning for pruning. Yeah. So if you have fruit trees, if you have ornamentals, if you have basically anything that you're like, man, it's looking a little scraggly this time of year. Or it's, it will, it has the potential to suffer from snow damage. Yeah. Wind damage. Those extra long limbs. Yes. Are susceptible for that. So those are good if you can cut them back a little. Yeah, it's not quite time yet. No. To be pruning. You want to wait until it's cold. But you want your tools nice and sharp and clean. Yep. So now's the time to do that. Yeah. So if you're wondering, how do I clean that? I actually, that was what my Master Gardener presentation at the end of the year was. Oh, yeah? Yeah, was taking care of tools. And one of the things that you can do is if you take some vinegar and some steel wool, you can scrub off any of the rust on your, on any of your pruners. And then you can usually find cheap carbide steel sharpeners or more expensive ones, depending on how much effort you want to put into getting a good sharpen. And just run that along the edges a couple of times. Make sure you get all the burrs off and you have nice sharp pruners. Nice. Yeah. Yeah, and the techniques often work on my shovels. Yes. And on my loppers. Yep. And, oh, you know those trowels, the little trowels we used to dig in? Yeah. You know, they need a little sharpening. I mean, they don't need to be sharp enough to cut roots like the big long shovel. But yeah, the edge gets mangled. Yeah, it gets mangled and you don't necessarily recognize it until like you're trying to dig and you're like, man, this shovel isn't doing anything. I didn't know that you needed to sharpen shovels until I was in Master Gardeners and listening to other people. And I was like, oh, that actually makes a lot of sense. Oh yeah, I drive my shovels into rocks all the time in my soil. Me too. Yeah, it's like, wow. Yeah, so if you're noticing some dings on your shovels, if they're not digging quite as well, then it's probably a good idea for you to clean it up and sharpen it. And with that, I think we are going to another break. Join us in a couple of minutes for more Master Gardeners and Friends. Yep, be right back. We all want to stay cool this summer and no one wants to pay more to stay that way. The Beam Easy Living Center wants you to add a whole house fan to your cooling arsenal. It's way cheaper to run than your air conditioning. Once the sun goes down and the air outside cools, you open a few windows, turn on the whole house fan, sit back and enjoy the breeze. The fan is on a timer. It can run all night if you like. 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Chatted a little bit about how our, I didn't know you needed to clean and sharpen shovels. Yes, and if you have one of those shovels that have a wooden handle, you need to condition the handle, too. Yes, if you've ever taken your shovel out in the spring and it's just cracked and hard to handle, you can put some wood conditioner on that, and it'll help. Now, is that a product that I buy at a store, or can I go and get the coconut oil out of my kitchen? I wouldn't do coconut oil. I don't know if you necessarily need to go buy it, but I would maybe look up something online to see what you can make at home, if you're gonna make it at home, for a full wood conditioner. Coconut oil just might go rancid, I'm worried about, yeah. It's one of those things where I don't know what to do to moisturize, so I go to the coconut oil. Yeah, that's like. It's like, it's good for now. Yeah, it's good for the moment, and then I'll figure it out later. Yes, yes, anything to keep this shovel going a little while longer. Yes, and that's the same for any of your tools that have wooden handles, because you might have a wheelbarrow that has wooden handles, and nobody likes a splintery wheelbarrow handle. That's just the worst to deal with. Well, yeah, two wooden handles with splinters and one wheel, it's like. Yeah, because you're really putting a lot of pressure. So yeah, we're coming up on fall. It's starting to get a little cooler. Maybe pay attention to the next week or two of your weather forecast to make sure it's not going to pop up into the 80s again before you start planting out for fall. But once it's consistently down into the 70s during the day and like 40s to 50s at night, you can start planting your fall garden. And your fall perennials. And your fall perennials. Yeah, those trees, those shrubs, those bulbs, those flowers. The best time to plant native plants. If you are not doing, the only type of native plant that you can plant all year round is riparian or water loving, the plants that are always near like some sort of water source. And those can be planted any time of the year. But you want to wait until the soil cools off a little bit. to plant any of the other native plants that you might be planning to put into your garden. I personally like to wait till the rain comes in because then I have less hose work, basically. 100%, you wait until the day after the rain. Then you have nice, softer soil, you don't have to water it as much, it's great. Yes. Would recommend. Yeah, and honestly, nowadays, in the last couple of years, the native plant movement has grown so much that you can really find native plants at almost any nursery you go to. If you go to a local owned nursery and not one of the big box stores in our area, a lot of them do have a native plant section that will have a lot more native plants than what you would find at one of the larger box stores. So I would recommend if you are planning to put down native plants, then visit some local stores and see what they've got. Yeah. Cool. Yeah, and then if you are planning on doing some native plants, there are a couple of planting rules that are slightly different. The main one being that you want the crown of roots, which is where the root ball starts to come out from the bottom, to just be a little above the soil. You don't wanna plant it down in so that you can't see that crown at all. You want it to be mounded a little bit above. That's where the trunk starts to flare into roots, and that's the top of the crown. Yeah. And we want that just above. Just above. The soil, yeah. Yeah, and if you have some soil that doesn't drain quite as well, then you can also plant them on a mound a little bit. That's my house. Yeah. Just because a lot of California native plants have evolved to grow in California, and so they don't like sitting in water. Which might be an issue this year. It might be. We are, according to scientists, we are supposed to get quite a bit of rain this year. I know. Yeah. It's gonna be, it's both great for if you wanna plant new things, because they are going to be watered in no matter what you do. Yes. It's also a little scary for existing plants that might not be used to how much water we are going to be getting this winter. But also, we need the rain. Yeah. And the snow, so. Yeah, we need that, so. Yeah. We're gonna learn to live with it. Yeah, right? Yes. Last year, I did notice, because we got snow in February, March, at my house this last year, and one of the things that I noticed, especially with my native plants, is that the snow kind of smushed them down so that they would spread out into a fan a little bit more, and then all of the new growth came up from the center. And so, I looked at that, and I was like, oh, I'm pretty sure that that's what's supposed to happen for all of these plants. Yeah. Because I hadn't had a lot of snow the year before, and so they just, I had to go in and clean them out so that they would continue growing. Yeah. Yes. Yeah, so, talked a little bit about native plants. At the moment, if you have any areas where you want to have some flowers over the winter, you can actually plant some of the annual flowers that are good for fall and winter now. Yes, the cool season annuals. Yeah, some cool season annuals. About now. Yeah. So, you can balance that with this 80-degree weather. Yeah, if you plant it too early, it might start sprouting a little too early, and then you don't actually get them through the winter because they won't be able to survive quite as well. So, again, you want to pay attention to what the forecast is going to be, and try to plant it when it's low 70s and below during the day. Or you'll have to baby it. Or you'll have to baby it. Yeah, so you put it in the ground. That means you water it every day. Check on it every day. Yep. If it's 80, three out. Yep. Yeah, yeah. So, that list includes Iceland poppies and calendula, primrose, pansies, snapdragons, or stalk. Yeah. And it creates that colorful display we all want. Yeah, and then you get some good color through the winter. Yeah. And then in the late winter and early spring, you start to get your bulbs to pop up. I know. Yeah. So, you need to be putting your spring-blooming bulbs go in the ground right now. Yeah. You'd be safe between now and December. Yeah. But it's good to get them down so that you actually get some root growth. I have to wait till it rains. I will not play in this dirt until it rains. I get that. I don't have the back for it anymore. Even with a sharp shovel, it's still pretty hard to dig into our soil sometimes. It is sometimes, yes. Yes. Yeah. Are you planting bulbs? I am probably going to plant a couple of bulbs, but I usually do summer-blooming bulbs instead. I will do dahlias a lot of the time. And so, those actually need to come out of the soil in a month or two after the first freeze. Well, if you know me, you know I'm a plant rescuer, and I have two buckets full of, I don't want these bulbs, but I don't know what they are. Here, you take them. So, they're going into grow bags. Okay, yeah. So, they're not sitting in my soil. Yeah. They'll drain well, because I don't know exactly what they are, and I'm not quite sure whether I'll get them too deep or too shallow. And I'll be able to watch them and flag them whenever they come up. Yeah. I mean, we don't know if they were summer. Some look like narcissus. Okay. Some might be dahlias. Yeah. I recognize bearded iris, and I know I don't have any of that. Okay. So, we'll see. But, you know, the narcissus, the maybe narcissus bulbs could be glads too, she said. I mean, she said, this is what I had in my garden, and I, you know, so we'll see. So, I'm gonna plant bulbs now too, and there'll be a surprise. Yeah. Hey, honestly, planting a surprise garden is always fun. Yes, yeah. I just can't let things go. That happens to master gardeners a lot more than you would think. It's like, just like random seeds, random bulbs where it's like, well, I got this from somebody. I might as well plant it out and see what I have. I have the seed in my pocket. Yeah, right. And it turns out to be a fava bean. I did actually look through one of my bags the other day, and I was like, I have like three different seeds in here, and I don't know what these are. So, I guess I'll just plant them out and see what happens. Yes, yes, yes. Yes, I was able to harvest some beans from a garden I'm taking care of. Nice. And the pods look the same, but some came out black, blackish purple, and some came out whitish, almost speckly. Yeah. I thought they were the same plant, so I don't know. And one came out kind of whitish, but square. I suspect those weren't fully developed, but all the pods were dry. And so, I did a seed validity test. I put two in a paper towel that's wet, and then I put that in a Ziploc bag, which I closed up and I dated it, and at least put where I found it. And they both sprouted, so. So, you have some viable beans? They're viable, that's what I determined. I don't know what they are yet, other than that they are a bean. I don't know if they're drying or eat the pod or something like that, but they came out two different colors, so. I'm gonna create one bed that's experimental, and I'll be really good at taking notes on it. Yeah, definitely. And we'll see what happens. You'll definitely write down everything. Yeah, take pictures. Take pictures along the way and write messages on them, yeah. Again, I don't really practice what I preach. I always say, hey, write down or label what you are planting because once it has been four months or five months and you're actually harvesting, you will not remember. I went inside for a glass of water and now I can't remember what I planted. Yeah, right. So, it's good to write it down. I don't always do that. I have some mystery garlic on my hands that I'm going to be planting out soon. I'm a rescuer, so I end up with a lot of mysteries. 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Yeah, or let us know you're listening and what you're doing while you're listening. That'd be cool too. Yeah, now is the time to start planning your garden for next year. Now's the time to start prepping everything for fall planting. So it's really a good time to start getting your questions answered so you're not scrambling in November wondering what you're supposed to be doing. Yes, well, I just wanna be encouraging for a minute if you've been through the summer and you're done with that garden. You're just done for the winter. You're just gonna wait till next spring to bring back all of that overwhelming anxiety that comes when you first look at the garden and go, what am I gonna do? Now is the time to put the beds to bed for winter. So I encourage you to do that because after that, it's just you, your cat, your coffee, your comfy chair. Yeah, and you don't have to worry about it. And you don't have to worry about it, yes. So that's where the leaves come in. Yeah. How do you use your leaves? I leave my leaves down. So I have a maple tree and then a bunch of oaks that are kind of not on my property but are surrounding my property. And so what we end up doing is we blow all of the oak leaves into our backyard and then we leave the maple leaves down and we might rake them into a garden bed if we have the wherewithal to do that. Otherwise, we just kind of leave them. This year, I have a new push mower. I used to just weed whack everything. But I wanted a collection basket. So I take the... push them over or out. It's a battery one, so it's kind of quiet so I can get out early enough and not disturb the neighbors too much. But I run it over all the leaves, and it chops them up and puts them in a bag, and then I can just walk that bag back to the beds that I am putting to bed for the winter, will not be planting in. Because I do want to do a new, I have a new cover crop, which we'll talk about in a minute. So some beds are cover crops, some beds are just mulch, and some beds, I have two winter beds I'll do this year, and one is a cold frame, and one is, they'll probably be hoops, kind of thing. So that's how I pick up the leaves, so the grass gets, the meadow grass gets cut down, and I get a lot of leaves. I have a liquid amber, and this year, you know, the year we had the weather that was so perfect, it dropped its leaves in seven days, all of them, in seven days. Oh, that's a lot of leaves all at once. Yes, but I was so excited, I only had to do my job for two days, instead of two and a half weeks. So I was really excited about that, because I get leaves from everyone that bring me bags of them, and I chop them up that way now, and it becomes really good mulch, and some of it goes in the compost bin, because this is the time of year where my compost gets wetter. Yeah, it's also, if you are planning on doing compost, now is the time of year to really start a compost pile. If you haven't started a compost pile yet, because it's a little cooler, you're trimming up a lot of things, so you get a lot of biomass to put into that compost pile. Well, the greens and the browns are plentiful. Yeah, greens and browns are plentiful right now, and that compost, if you put it in in the winter and turn it a couple of times, you'll have good compost for the spring for your garden. What do you compost in? I don't compost. I know, I have a small, I have a pretty small house, and unfortunately a couple of years ago, we did have some mice and rat problems, and we're, anywhere I put my compost pile is either going to be very close to my house, or very close to a neighbor's house. Oh yeah, you have to consider that. So I plan on doing a compost pile at some point, but I know that if I'm going to be doing it, I'm going to have to do an actual hot compost pile. I can't just let things sit, and that's a little bit more than what I'm willing, like a little bit more work than what I'm willing to do at the moment. I usually have two or three versions going. I do have a bin that has kitchen scraps, and it gets topped off with leaves and garden waste, but I also have a garden waste compost pile, and it's one of the beds, one of my raised beds. Every year I choose a different one, and I put my garden waste on top of that bed. I pull up the drip that was there and hang it on the fence, and then the green waste that comes out of the garden, things I'm pulling, I chop up, I get to stand there, just clip, you know. I feel productive without being too hard working there, and just create this pile, and I put a little fence around it so it can build up, and it ends up being, that bed is about six feet long and four feet wide, and I just fill it up, and at some point I come along, and it's surrounded by paths, so I come along with a good rake, and I start at one o'clock, and I start raking the top edge out until I get all the way to the bottom, and then I start again at one o'clock, but now I'm putting it back in at the bottom, and that's how I turn it, and it takes a cup of coffee, and then I'm done. Yeah, and then you have some compost for your garden that's actually right there in the garden, so you don't have to move it very often. And it's not the kind that brings in critters unless they were looking for something to sleep in. Yeah, because I'm worried about doing food compost scraps, and that's the thing that I... Yes. Yeah. Yeah, that's always tricky, especially with our rodents. Goodness. Yeah. We had to do a little bit of, like, we had to pay somebody to come through and... Catch them up. Close up a bunch of stuff in our roof and near our foundation and things so that we couldn't get, because we had squirrels come into our house a couple years ago, and they were in our roof space, and I could hear them dropping acorns. Let's qualify this. Are you talking the human living space or just the structure in general? The structure above the human living space, so we could hear them running around in the roof space. We don't have an attic. We just have, like, high roofs and then a couple, like, probably a foot and a half, whatever the... We'll call it an attic. Yeah. But, like, we can't get up there. We can't store anything up there, but they were up there storing acorns. Wow. We could hear them dropping acorns during the day, so we had to pay somebody to come through and get rid of the... It happens to the best of us. It does. And now that we've paid somebody to do that, we have not heard anything in our walls or in our roof space again, and so it was well worth the money. Yes. Well, I'll just warn you, if you have any maintenance done in your house that might open that up again, have them double check, because I'm speaking from experience. Darn. I know. We have a lot of rodents in the area. Yes. We have a lot of rodents that are in the ground. We have a lot of, like, the gray tree squirrels and, like, Norwegian rats and things like that that will jump from tree to tree and get into roof spaces, and so it's just good to, like, kind of keep on top of that. We have a class on that, don't we? We do. Next year? We have... I think next year. Yeah, we are... There won't be a schedule in there yet, because we're still making it. We do, almost every year, we do a rodent and, like, other pest animal class so that you can learn more about getting rid of them, preventing them, making sure that your garden can thrive without having them take over. Yes. And you will be able to find that class list on our webpage in January. Yeah. We have not finalized all of those yet. Oh, I actually have to get back to our workshop coordinators, because we're trying to plan another native plant series next year with a couple of new classes, a couple of existing classes. How exciting! And I have to decide which ones I can actually reasonably do next year. Yes. But yeah, so unfortunately, I do not have a compost pile. Would love to do it, but at this moment, what I do is I just spread leaves. I don't even mulch them all that much, because I don't get... I have the very small oak leaves. I don't have, like, the really big, like, four-inch oak leaves, and so I can just kind of spread them down and they'll break down over the year and just create a nice little soil. Yeah. Yeah. Perfect. Yeah. Perfect. Yeah. So you want to hear about my winter mulch? I do. I want to hear about your winter mulch. My cover crop that I'm trying again this year. Last year, I didn't get to do it. So this year, I'll be planting a winter kill. It's about four or five seeds that come up and are killed by cold, heavy frost, freezing temperatures. So it comes up and it's green and lush, which I always like to look out and see green and lush in the middle of November. And then it gets really cold and the varieties start to die off and it creates a mat on top of it, on top of the soil. Oh, nice. So now it's protected for winter. Yeah. And I don't have to turn anything. And we'll talk more about your winter gardening and overwintering when we come back in a couple of minutes. Yeah. 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Oh, it looks like we did actually get somebody who answered your question about what to put down on wood handles. Oh, cool. Yeah. And we were talking a little bit about your garden tool maintenance because now is the time to start doing that, getting prepared for the winter maintenance of the garden. And this caller says that you can put boiled linseed oil onto wood handles after lightly sanding them. Oh, yeah. Let it sit for 15 to 20 minutes and then wipe off the excess. Yeah, I remember that when I kept bees. We did that on beehives. That's absolutely right. Yeah. Good call. And we left it in a well-ventilated area for about 24 hours. Yep. We have an unknown caller. Yeah, that was an unknown text, but thank you for answering that question. Note to listeners, if you text us, sign your text. Yeah. If you give us your name, that is very helpful for us because we do kind of keep track. Or a name. It doesn't need to be yours. Yeah, it doesn't have to be yours. We do kind of keep track of who is contacting us to make sure that we have information for the university because the university does like us to keep track of that. They do want to know that someone's listening to us. Yes, they like knowing. So, yeah, we were talking a little bit about how you are overwintering your garden beds. Oh, yeah. I'm going to do it. I'm trying. I've gone back to a winter kill, which is a cover crop that you seed now. It grows up and it's very green. I look forward to looking out and seeing green in that garden when usually I just see leaves and straw. Yep. And in the coldest part of the winter, it will die and create a mat on top of the soil, which will help protect the soil from erosion. You don't have to be on a hill for earth to be eroded because the raindrops pounding on soil compacts it, takes the air out of it. So micro orbs and other fun little beasties in our soil that we want there can't live very well. Yeah. I look forward to that. Do you want a list of what's in it? Yeah. Sure. So it's a mix and it comes with millet and lentil and oats and California black eyed cow peas, fenugreek. Yeah, I've never seen that, but I'm looking forward to that. Daikon radish, brown flax, turnip, mustard. It's a mix. It's a mustard mix of brassicas. So they are supposedly supposed to be able to plant those and then they'll die out. Nice. Yeah. Yeah. And if you're listening and you heard any of those and you were like, oh, I have some of those seeds, then you can just do one of them. Yeah, yeah. You don't have to do all of them. It will do effectively the same thing. It might not give you the same nutrient mix in your soil as if you are using a mix of these different seeds, but it will do functionally the same thing where it grows, dies off on its own so that you don't have to do anything to it. Because one of the things about cover crops is I love cover crops as a concept because they add a lot of biomass to the soil. They help with erosion. If you don't want to necessarily plant out a bed, then it's great to have something in there. But a lot of cover crops don't die on their own. You have to go out and pinch them or you have to go out and cut them down or solarize them. And that is just a little bit more work to put on yourself when you're trying to garden. It is daunting to see a cover crop sitting there when I have to go out and now plant my spring garden, but I have to take care of the cover crop first. And I know there were a few years where it didn't happen. It finally got late enough I took the weed whacker out there. It can be done. I just wasn't planning on it being that involved. I'm looking forward to it. to this one. Really, it's all about whatever level of effort you want to put in. Yeah, your garden, your personal workflow, what works for you, you do not have to do everything perfectly in order to have a good garden that works for you. Like you working with yourself and how much time and energy you know, you want to put in. Yes, it's the best way to get a good garden that you are happy with because nobody likes it. Looking out at a garden being like, Oh, I haven't done anything for this in weeks and now it looks bad and now I have to go clean it all up. And really, there is no crime in scaling back. Truly. You know, if last year just thumped you. Yeah. Then go small, plant one bed, move to containers on the back porch. Yeah, whatever you need to do to still feel like you want a garden. Yeah. Yeah, that's what we want people to do. Still garden, maybe smaller. Yeah. Maybe different varieties. Yeah. Maybe you just go to a friend and garden at their house. Yeah. Maybe you figure out somebody who needs a little bit of help, but you don't have to be there like every weekend. Yeah. And just like go help them. Yeah, that works too. Yeah. Yeah. But get your hands in the soil, plant some plants. Yeah. Getting your hands in the soil is so good for you as a person. If like, if that is something that you enjoy doing, highly recommend finding a way to do it, even if it's not the way that you initially pictured. You mean if it's not Pinterest perfect, I should still do it. I know. Pinterest perfect takes a lot of time and energy, unfortunately. And the right camera angle. And the right camera angle, lighting. Yes. So talking a little bit about like garden beds, prepping, um, one of the things that I get questions about a lot as somebody who does native plants is, uh, can I just throw wildflower seeds out and it'll be fine? And, um, my answer is kind of. If you want to just throw wildflower seeds out into like a barren area, then like, yeah, you can do that. You might not get as many seeds coming out of that or like as many plants coming out of that as you want. Really, ideally you would do some sort of mulching and killing off weeds before you put down any wildflower seeds because that way they don't have to compete with any of the weeds that are out there. Um, one of my favorite ways to mulch is the lazy way where I take cardboard boxes that I have just accumulated for a couple of months, cut them out, take the tape off and then just set them down. Um, and then, uh, put mulch. You can put soil down if you want to, you don't have to, um, but put mulch down on it for a couple of inches. And what that's doing is that is making sure that you're not getting sunlight to any of the weeds underneath. And it kills off pretty much everything within a couple of months. And then, um, if you can, you don't have to, but what I end up doing is my cardboard usually lasts for about a year to a year and a half, but the soil underneath is done or like the weeds underneath are dead after like four months. 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So if you do want have a question and you want to call in, you can call us at 530-477-5626 or give us a text at 530-913-4685. Yeah, so I'm just going to mention a couple of things that the Master Gardeners offer here now that we're a little past the top of the hour and we have free workshops. Our workshop is halfway through at this point. Most Saturdays of the year through to the early November, we will have free workshops and those will either be at the NID Grounds, which is at 1036 West Main Street in Grass Valley, or we will also do some at the Madeline Helling Library north of Nevada City if it's a little too cold. So earlier in the year, we will be at the Madeline Helling Library indoors. In the spring, yes. Yes, we start there. Yeah, and then we also have a Speakers Bureau, so if you're listening and you're like, man, I really like what the Master Gardeners are about or I really want the Master Gardeners to do about an hour's worth of a presentation for my organization, then you can actually give us a call at our hotline number at 530-273-0919, and if you leave a message asking for the topic that you are looking for and leave us your contact information and what organization you're requesting it for, then we'll get back to you and schedule a speaker. Yeah, which I have done once now. As a speaker? Yeah, I've spoken once to the Lake Wildwood Garden Association. Oh yeah, I did a Garden Club speaking too. And it was fun, we talked about native plants. Oh yeah. Yeah, because that's what they were looking for, and I really enjoyed it. You get like a very enthusiastic Master Gardener because just like everything else, we have Master Gardeners who write down the topics that they are kind of like subject matter experts on, and so those are the Master Gardeners that will be contacted and asked if they want to give that presentation, and it's just a really fun time. Yes, we love talking garden. We really do, if you couldn't tell already from this two-hour radio program. And then the last thing that I'll mention really quickly is that we do have a garden guide, so if you are lost gardening here, if you've recently moved here, if you just want to know a little bit more or have like a reference book for gardening in our area, then you can pick up the garden guide written by the Nevada County and Placer County Master Gardeners, and it's the Foothills Gardening Guide, and that is available at our hotline, at our office, Tuesdays, 9 a.m. to noon, and our office is at 255 South Auburn Street in Grass Valley, and then it's also available at local nurseries in Grass Valley, Penn Valley, and Nevada City, I believe. Yeah, and so you can go pick up a garden guide. It's a great gift as we're starting to go into like gifting season, so if you know somebody who's gardening up here, it is a perfect thing to get for them, and it supports our work at the Nevada County Master Gardeners. It does. It's one of our fundraisers. Yeah, it's not. Our biggest fundraiser is our plant sale in May. We're already starting. Yeah, we are already starting. Plan now. It is the Saturday before Mother's Day every year. We have a huge plant sale at our demo garden at 1036 West Main Street in Grass Valley. Sign up that wagon. Make sure the wheels work. Yeah, we usually, we have dozens of Master Gardeners there answering questions, telling you about the plants that we have available, and that is one of the main ways that we do make money as Master Gardeners in Nevada County, so that we can continue offering all of our great programs. Yes. Yeah. That's it. When do you want to tell them about becoming a Master Gardener? Oh, yeah, so we talked a little bit about becoming a Master Gardener. On one of our breaks. Yeah, on one of our breaks before, I believe, before we started the radio program, so 2027 we will have our Master Gardener applications open, so if you're listening to this and you're like, man, I like gardening. I like talking to people about gardening, and like, I like the science behind gardening, then you can apply to become a Master Gardener for Nevada County, and I believe that those open, those applications open August 2027, and what will happen is you will sit down with an interview panel. First, what, first you do the info class, so you learn all about it, and then you really get to decide if you want to put time and effort into it. Yeah, and we will have more information on that info class starting in the summer of 2027, and then you can put in your application. You can sit down and be interviewed by a couple of Master Gardeners. They will select a class, and then in January, I believe, of 2028, they will start classes, and that is usually four hours a week. Yeah, and you learn different topics every week. All of them are great. All of them are very useful. Was yours six months? Was mine six months? Mine was a little weird. Yeah, yours was weird. Mine was the first class after the pandemic, so we all went there with masks on the first time. Mine was, we had to postpone mine by like, oh yeah, that's right. Yeah, so mine ended up being a little, like we, fall. Yeah, it was a fall class. Usually what ends up happening is you take the classes, and then you graduate just around the time that we have the plant sale, and so your first volunteer opportunity is the plant sale, which is a little overwhelming, but also like a great introduction into what the Master Gardeners do. Yeah, well, it's one of the spots where you'll see the most amount, the biggest amount of Master Gardeners in one place. Oh yeah, you will meet as a new grad. Everybody. There are so many people at the plant sale every year. Didn't scare you away. No, I really enjoyed myself. Oh good. Yeah, so if you do want to become a Master Gardener, then I would highly recommend keeping an eye out. We will talk a little bit more on the radio program going into that summer next year about like the classes that we will be offering so that you get to know more about what's happening, and then also how to fill out the application, and when the selection will happen. So yeah, keep an ear out, keep an eye out for all of that, and we would love to hear from you. have more Master Gardeners. I love seeing the new class every year. Yeah, it's so fun. Yeah, very fun. And you might even get to do the radio show if you become a Master Gardener, because we always have. Now don't be scaring them away. I know, you don't have to. Yeah, there are Master Gardeners who do all sorts of things. There are plenty of Master Gardeners who do not like public speaking in any capacity, and so they do not want to be on the radio show. They don't want to do workshops. And that's totally fine. Like all of us have our own strengths. Excellent. Yeah, so we're talking a little bit about fall and like going into fall planting, going into fall gardening, making sure that you have like planned for things as much as you want to. If you don't want to, then that's fine. And is there anything else that you have top of mind for your garden? Well, we're talking about planning for winter and having a garden. So if you have a vegetable garden through winter, you need to consider some kind of frost protection on hand. You don't need it yet. But if you're going to do hoops and frost cloth, or you're just going to put the frost cloth right over the top of the leaves, you just need to plan ahead and know where it is because, well, I pulled out my frost cloth thinking I was getting it ready, and some critter moved in, lived there for a while, so now I have to go buy new stuff. And I would have been really upset if I was pulling that out at, you know, six o'clock the night before a frost. And then finding out that it's not going to work. It's like, okay, I have to fold it in a weird way. You know, I'm origami-ing my frost cloth so it would work on the rose. Yes, so you just want to be prepared. Yeah. Have a plan and the tools to make it happen, and then you just keep an eye on the weather. I mean, we need, in order to have a good frost, we need it to be 32 for a number of hours. Yeah. Because one hour of 32 might crisp up a few leaves, but it won't end their life. Yeah, but overnight 32 or below is going to be... Yeah, how many hours at that, that is what to consider. And there's always the throw a bucket over it, throw a garbage can over it, you know, whatever you have. You have to go out in the morning and pull it off, but to protect it overnight, there's that. And then there's anything you have in a container, you have to be aware of whether or not you're going to wrap it, or roll it inside, or hope for the best. That's a plan, too. Yeah, one of the ways that I've heard for containers specifically is you want to, if it's going to be very cold, but you don't necessarily need to wrap it, then you want to bring it a little closer to your house so that it gets a little bit of protection from, like, the wind, rain, snow. And you want to keep the soil damp, not wet, damp. Yes. Because if it gets too wet, then it'll freeze and that might break your pots. But you don't want it to be dry because then the roots in there don't actually have any protection and you might get to the point where those plants die off and you don't even know it yet because the roots died off first. Yes, there's that. And some pots do need protection from the cold. They need to be wrapped themselves. Yeah, some pots are not cold hardy. No, no, they're not. Terracotta is one of those things that, like, if you have terracotta out in the open air. It sheds. It, yeah, it is not going to do well. Yeah, I mean, I like the idea of a terracotta pot, but it's a temporary situation. Yeah. Yeah. Terracotta is also, like, water wicking in a way, and so it's not, terracotta isn't always the best option unless you like to water something every day in our area. Yeah. Yeah. Or you just want cute little displays in your greenhouse. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Okay. Well, it looks like we are heading into another break. So join us in a couple of minutes for more Master Gardeners and Friends. See you soon. is at B&C Ace Home and Garden Center. Pick up a two-gallon Ace Halloween bucket for only $3.99 before they're gone. Brighten your Halloween displays with Celebrations 100 Count LED Light Sets, now just $9.99 each. Available in orange, purple, or multi-colored to add the perfect spooky glow. B&C Ace Home and Garden Center. Tune in to the Ramsey Show today at noon, brought to you by Zion Capital, your trusted Ramsey SmartVestor Pros, right here in Nevada County. I'm in the well! Help me! 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This is a two-way radio program, so if you're listening and you have any questions about your garden, if you have any questions about what you should be doing right now to prep, then you can give us a call at 530-477-5626. Or you can give us a text at 530-913-4685. Yeah, and you can send us pictures through that text line if you have like a weird bug that you're looking at or some like damage on a plant that you're not sure about. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. So right now you should be starting, if you have a garden, you should be starting to prepare for winter, starting to prepare for late fall. You can be cleaning up a lot of your ornamentals and perennials right now. I have a lot of native perennials that are starting to like kind of die off. Not all of them, but a lot of them. And so if you live in an area where you are, have an HOA, or if you just really want your garden to look manicured, then you can actually cut back those, a lot of those perennials right now. One of the tips that I learned recently, because we had a native plant question like an answer workshop last week, was if you are going to be doing that, then the best thing to do is to cut those back and then chop up whatever you've cut back and just kind of lay it down at the base of the plant. Because a lot of native perennials offer good habitat for bugs over the winter. And so you don't want to necessarily remove all of that. Good bugs. Good bugs. Yeah. You don't want to remove all of it. And so what you can do if you do want to clean it up is to chop it down to the base and then cut it up a little bit and leave the plant material as like kind of a mulch around there. Yeah. Yes. I understand the leave it for the, as a winter food source. Yes. But I also heard that many grasses and plants that have hollow stems become homes to overwintering bugs that we want. Yeah. A lot of, we have a lot of native bees actually. I don't know the exact number anymore. I used to know the exact number, but there are hundreds of bees that are native to California and a lot of them are ground dwelling or they're hollow dwelling bees. And so what they'll do is they will kind of like, while it's getting colder because they can't survive like the harsh winter, they will burrow into hollow stems and then seal up the edges. And that's kind of the idea behind homemade bee houses. Oh yeah. If you've ever seen those is like you give them a lot of hollows so that they can get in there, seal it up over winter. And then in the spring, when it starts to warm up a little bit, they'll just like pop those seals out, come out again, and they'll have survived the winter without having to do a bunch of work. Yeah. So I have blocks of former tall grass, meadow grass, things like that, that I don't cut down. Yeah. Just because someone wants that. And in the middle of winter to see the little finches on my dock, it's like, oh, this is fun. I didn't even put out a bird feeder. Yeah. They're just out here. Yeah. Yeah. So that's, I would highly recommend if you can, if you have like a backyard where you don't care quite as much about it being super aesthetic and Pinterest garden-y, then you can leave all of those dead plant materials until the early spring. And then when you start to see new growth, that's when you cut it down. But if you're looking at it and you're like, oh, this is actually stressing me out that this is so bedraggled, then you can chop it down and then just cut it up a little bit and leave it at the base of the plant. I have that problem. So I made a deal with myself. I start with paths and larger areas. And so I just cut down the amount that they could live in, but I don't take it all away. Yeah. Yeah. And that's fine. Yeah. It seems to work so far. Yeah. Yeah. And then if you're also wondering, so I was just saying over the break, one of my favorite native plants that is super easy to grow pretty much anywhere that doesn't get like a really hard freeze. So if you are in the Eastern County, I'm sorry, but almost anywhere else you can be growing California fuchsia. And that has been blooming since I think June, July, and it will continue blooming. Mine is still like profuse with blooms. I haven't done anything with it. I haven't watered it in two years, I think. Um, and it is three or four feet high, has long red flowers on it that hummingbirds love. And it is still full of blooms. So if you're looking for a little bit of color and you're like, I want to plant native, but I'm not sure what I can actually be planting, then that California fuchsia is a great thing to plant this fall. The other thing that I will recommend is some goldenrod. If you have the ability to plant goldenrod, it can spread a little bit more than the California fuchsia does. But goldenrod is also a fall blooming perennial plant and it's gorgeous. It's all about water though. Yeah, it does need more water. The goldenrod doesn't do anything if it doesn't get enough water. Yeah. Yeah. So definitely like if you are planning to plant any native plants, any perennials or annuals, kind of pay attention to what the water requirements are. If you're not sure what the water requirements are, then you can actually go to calscape.org. That's C-A-L-S-C-A-P-E.org. Um, and you can search the common name if you just search goldenrod, or if you just search California fuchsia, it'll bring up that plant and you can look at what the water requirements are, what the sun requirements are, and like what it kind of likes to grow with. Yes. Yeah. And that is a California Native Plant Society website. And so they, they are another non-profit that we work with pretty often. And we have a lot of people, like we have a lot of membership overlap with the California Native Plant Society. Um, and our local redbud chapter has a lot of things specific to Placer and Nevada counties because that's the counties that they cover. But Calscape is for all of California. So you can search any California native plant up there and see what the gardening requirements are. I thought it was interesting, uh, when I learned I just put in my zip code. Yeah. And it gives me a list. Yes. Yeah. It's like, I like lists. Yeah. You can do that. There's a garden planter, uh, planner in there. If you are really not sure what you can plant and you don't want to just like search through the entire list that comes back randomly, then you can put down like how much sun exposure you have, how much water you want to put down in there, how easy you want things to be growing, any specific requirements for it. Like one of the things we get a lot is people asking, can I hedge these plants? Like, can I grow a hedge with these things? And there is actually a filter for that. If you have like specific needs in your garden and it'll pop out a list for you to save and then you can print out that list and take it to a nursery and find the plants that you want. Yeah. Yeah. Would highly recommend. I'm always recommending planting native plants. If you've listened to me on the radio show before, then you'll know. Yeah. That's basically all that I talk about. Well, then we balance our two hours out because I like to talk about vegetables. Yeah. Yeah. And those are like, that is another incredibly important part of gardening and on top of a lot of people's minds, honestly, right now is like planting vegetables. Speaking of vegetables, actually, if you are wondering what you can plant right now, you can start planting garlic and shallots in October. So if you are somebody who loves garlic or you're just annoyed that every time you pick up garlic at the grocery store, some of it's a little rotted, then I would highly recommend picking up a couple of bulbs and planting those out. And then especially if we are going to get as wet of a winter this year, as we were expecting, you probably don't need to water it at all this year. Yeah. You could just plant it out and let it go. But with that in mind, you want to consider elevated planting spaces. Yes. Grow bags, raise beds. Yeah. Because with the increased water, it's hard to say what kind of soil flooding you might get. Yeah. Overnight. And garlic, because it is a bulb. Yeah. Is more susceptible to rot. Yes. If it's sitting in water. So we need it to be well draining. Yeah. But I would highly recommend, I planted garlic for the first time last year along with shallots. And I got way too many shallots and a couple of good heads of garlic out of it. So I'm going to plant more garlic this year. I do not need to plant any more shallots. I still have shallots from last year. Well, you could plant some of those just to keep the crop going. Yeah. So that's the thing is like a lot of the times, once you have bought a bulb or a couple of bulbs, planted them out and harvested them, you can usually save them through the year and then plant them again the next year when you like them. And then you just have a self-perpetuating crop of garlic and shallots. And it's a good way to save money. I really like having garlic scapes in the early spring, because you can make a bunch of stuff with garlic scapes. Those are the flowers before they actually bloom. You cut them off and then you can use them. Like you can cut them up a little, use them a little bit like green onions, but they're garlic. They're obviously garlic instead of like an onion flavor. So let me ask you, is a scape available on both soft neck and hard neck? The soft neck garlic scape is better for cooking. Yes. Hard neck does get scapes, but I don't cook with them usually. Usually I just cut those off. Yes. Yeah. And then that is- She knows what she's talking about. And then usually what you can do is like the scapes kind of indicate when the garlic is starting to get to the end of when you would like, near when you would want to harvest it. And so the scape pops up and then a couple of weeks later, you stop watering it for like a week or two and then you can pull your garlic bulbs out. Traditionally, I wait for the bottom three leaves to dry and then I stop watering. And when I get to five dried leaves, I harvest. Yeah. Or when I'm capable. Yeah. Or when you're capable. They'll kind of, they'll sit there. Yeah. Especially if you're not watering. They wait for me. They'll wait. Yeah. Yeah. And again, I just, I really like having my own garlic that I've grown. 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And I'm Master Gardener Ellie Lightfoot. And this is a two-way radio program. We are in the last about 10 minutes of our program. So if you would like to ask us any questions, now's the time. You can give us a call at 530-477-5626. Or you can text us at 530-913-4685. Yeah, and we would love to take your questions or just to know that you are listening to us. Otherwise, we're gonna continue talking until we run out of time. Until they kick us out. Yep. So we were talking a little bit over the break about the Curious Gardener. Oh, yes. Which is, that is a publication that we put on, I believe that's in conjunction with Placer County, isn't it? Yeah. So it's the Nevada County and Placer County Master Gardeners. And that is a quarterly publication that we email. And it is articles written by Master Gardeners and then reviewed for scientific accuracy before you get them. And you can sign up for that Curious Gardener newsletter online at the Nevada County Master Gardeners website. So I'm going to read out the URL. That's ncmg.ucanr.org slash Curious Gardener. All one word. And if you sign up, we will ask you for your name, your email, and then we are now also asking what county you are a part of. And again, that's like just once a quarter, you get a little like digital booklet. Yeah. That is a bunch of articles from Master Gardeners on whatever has caught our fancy. I would highly recommend it. It's good reading material and it kind of keeps you up to date on what we are thinking about, what we're talking about through the year. Yes. Yeah. I really like it. I like reading the Curious Gardener. One more place for information. Yeah, right? Of like, we try. We are trying to get as much information out to the public as possible. Yes. Because we want you to enjoy gardening. We want you to feel confident in your gardening as much as possible. And we feel that the best way to do that is to give you as much of the information that is research-based as we can. Yeah. Yeah. In the last couple of minutes, I guess we can talk about the last bits of planning for gardening and planning for like cleaning up, making sure that you have everything ready for the fall if you do want to plant things out. And also making sure that you have everything ready over winter if you want to keep your garden looking beautiful into the spring. One of the things that I think we mentioned earlier is you can start to clean up a lot of like perennials and clean up a lot of dying annuals at the moment. And we mentioned compost a little bit, but one thing that I did want to point out is if you have anything that is diseased, if you are taking limbs off of a tree or a bush, or if you are taking down perennial like herby material and it's looking not just like it's dying, but rough in a way that looks infected or like it has been damaged by a disease, don't put that into your compost. A lot of the times, as much as we like to say that we have hot compost, most people end up doing a cold compost pile, which is one that is not turned quite as often. So it doesn't get up to the heat that it needs to in order to kill off a lot of those diseases. And if you put that diseased material into your compost pile, and then in the spring, you take some of the compost out and put it onto your bushes again, you're just spreading it around. Yeah, just reintroducing the bad stuff. Yeah, and so we highly recommend kind of pay attention to what you're trimming off. If anything looks diseased, then just toss it. Fill that green waste bin. Yeah. Let someone else deal with it. They do hot compost. Yeah, they do. They do. So that also includes any fruit that has fallen on the ground. Yeah. Any mummified fruit that's still hanging on the tree. All that kind of stuff needs to go too. Yeah. That's what you do now. Yeah, and it's just to keep your compost pile safe and keep the compost that you are creating at home safe. So this interesting weather that we're having has really fooled me in several cases because I always have a few things that tell me, oh, now it's time to do this. This has happened, so now it's time to do this. And one of those is when my peach tree drops its leaf. Yeah. Hasn't done that yet. Wow, still has very nice, very green peach tree leaves on it. Interesting. And these are not the ones that came out after the curly leaves fell off. Yeah. You know, peach leaf curl leaves fell off. These are original leaves. They're still there. I mean, there's a lower edge that here got, but everything above that is still green. And it's like, what do I do now? Yeah, I was supposed to be able to take all of these out at this point. Like, what's happening? That's right. So you just have to guess in some cases. Try a little, you know? And for me, it's like, well, where am I gonna fit this in now? Yeah. It's like my timeline is thrown off a little bit. I'm not quite sure what I'm supposed to be doing. It's a volunteer and it grows really close to an elderberry. Oh, okay. And so I always have to prune the, cut the elderberry down because it's a prolific grower. Oh yeah. And if it doesn't get cut down before the peach tree can start growing, then the two compete for the south facing sun. Yeah, I planted an elderberry for a little bit of shade on like a slope because it's pretty good at, it's not like the best erosion control. but it's a pretty good erosion control plant, and it grew so much that I had to trim it partway through the year, because it was growing out into the sidewalk, and it was growing out over my garden bed, and I was just like, okay, this is a little too much. Well, I wouldn't have planned a peach tree next to a mulberry, but it's a volunteer out of my compost pile. My very first compost pile was right there, and I get this tree that came up, and it's like, okay, you can stay until you die, and it hasn't done that yet. Yeah, ooh, one other thing that I will mention, because it is October, and some people are starting to do pumpkins. Oh, yeah. Don't put pumpkin seeds in your compost, unless you want pumpkin vines coming from your compost next year. Oh, yeah. That will happen. It will not kill off those seeds, and you will get a dozen vines coming out and taking over your yard. Yeah. And for some people, that's great. Yes. But just know that is a very real possibility that you will be overrun with pumpkins. She speaks from experience. I do. I don't usually plant jack-o'-lantern pumpkins, but I do plant, not this year, but I will plant sugar pie pumpkins every other year-ish, because I really like a home roast pumpkin. Yes. And yeah, if you don't want a bunch of volunteer pumpkin seeds and pumpkin vines, then don't throw that into your compost pile. Don't throw it outside. Throw it away. Yeah. That's right. Yeah. So what are you gonna do in your garden next? I think that I am probably going to do some cover cropping, and then I need to prepare a couple of beds for fall planting for some native plants, because I've been talking about doing that for a while. I have a couple of plants that I know that I want to plant out, and so I need to move the cardboard off that has killed off all of the weeds, and then do a little bit of soil compost and mulch, just to make sure that that area, and edge the bed out, just to make sure that that area is ready for in another month or so after the first rain, when I can actually plant. Okay. Yeah. Sounds like you're good. Yeah, I have a plan. We'll see if it happens. Yeah. Yeah, we always have to have a plan. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I'll be, I have some asparagus that got started from seed. Ooh. So, I'm just gonna interplant them with the strawberries. Yeah, what year is your asparagus? Is this the first year? This would be their first year, yeah. Okay, yeah. So, I'll have a couple years, but because they, you know, I take what I begin. Yeah. And so, I'm gonna plant them with the strawberry bed. Yeah. And I mulch that with wood chips. Okay, yeah. And then I inoculate that with wine. I want to inoculate it with wine cap mushrooms. Ooh, that sounds like fun. We'll see what happens. Yeah. Stay tuned. Yeah, I did. That's it. All right. Thanks so much for listening to our Master Gardeners and Friends. --- end of transcript ---